Selling my Laptop.. but for how much?

Glazun

Ok, I really am the worst person in the world, I took 2,000euro out of my bank account, ran to the nearest computers shop.. and.. got a laptop.. with little or no research, but it doesnt suit me.

Its a

NEC iSelect M5610i
15.4" glossy screen
1.7Pentium M
1gb RAM (two 512mb, ones kingston the others microntech)
nVidia Geforce Go6200 128mb
60gig HD
3 usb ports + 1firewire
Wireless
Dial-up / Ethernet Modem
Card bus
SD card slot
DVD RW
Its quite thin and light, and battery seems to last sometime if you dont use a lot of applications, however I tend to have numberous applications on at the same time which cases slowdowns. And I enjoy gaming, which doesnt really work for me. I paid 1,800 for it though.. Im such an ass.

I recently saw quite a nice HP laptop for like 1500 euro. It had 2gigs of ram and a buncha other nice specs, I wanna go back to check that I was right about that laptop actually.

The other thing with this laptop is that it has some scratches on its casing, will that effect my selling it?

Glazun

Oh yeah, Optical Sound output, a HD Realtek soundcard. The battery is easily unplugged and removed. and you have full access to the Graphics Card / Processor / Ram / HD by removing the back plates.. o_o

The downside is that it only has one fan,and due to its thin-ness it gets kinda hot sometimes.

TerrorFirmer

1,800? For a Pentium M and a 6200? Sorry, but that is a rip off beyond words...:(

The last machine I saw with those specs was a Pentium M 1.7Ghz, 1Gb Ram, and a somewhat superior Go6400 for 849 - in PC World of all places.

Now, I don't know how portable this machine is for you, but for a 1k overpricing, I don't think it could possibly justify the purchase.

Glazun

Thats what I was afraid of. I wonder if it was meant to be 800, but they accidentally added a 1.. o_O but meh.. -_- I suck. Learn from my mistakes the hard way i guess. >_>;

I hate this piece of crap, it says its 1.7ghz, but EVEREST picks it up as a Pentium M 600mhz (6X100).. o_O I do not understand that. O-o the insane heat of the thing is annoying me too. <_<; along with other things. Slow start up.. etc.

DaXiS

how did that cost u 2 grand...?
my GFX and processor are miles better and mine was 1600.
Try selling it for 1200-1300, u never know

Glazun

Ionno how it cost me 2grand.. >_>; I really dont. I need to get it looked at on friday, then I'll put an add up for 1,200 see if anyone calls.

thebman

when did you buy it? You might be able to return it especially if they lied about the speed of it.

I bought a Dell about a year and a half ago with similar specs (only 512 of RAM) and no SD card slot for 1600 Euro with a 3 year warranty.

If your going to sell it go to a college and put up some signs for 1200 hundred and see what happens. You can always reduce the price in a couple of weeks if it doesn't sell.

Glazun

brim4brim wrote:

when did you buy it? You might be able to return it especially if they lied about the speed of it.

I bought a Dell about a year and a half ago with similar specs (only 512 of RAM) and no SD card slot for 1600 Euro with a 3 year warranty.

If your going to sell it go to a college and put up some signs for 1200 hundred and see what happens. You can always reduce the price in a couple of weeks if it doesn't sell.

I got it like 2months ago. They didnt lie about the speed I think think, underneeth the speed reading it says "Original Speed".. though the owner of the shop was away when i bought the laptop, he put the prices on everything before he left, maybe he done a mistake.

TerrorFirmer

Honestly, has to be a mistake. That machine is barely worth - literally - half that price. If you'd taken your money elsewhere, even PC World, you'd have gotten - again, literally - a machine twice as powerful in all aspects.

Nobody will pay 1,200 for that machine, unless you get somebody as eager to part with alot of money as you were

Glazun

Guess its planB so. Upgrade. >_> Need to go ask what i can upgrade, I seem to be able to access the graphics card / processor / hd / ram.. so.. o_O does that meant I should be able to take 'em out? (I'm not going to just take it out to look at obviously.)

TerrorFirmer

I don't think you'd be able to upgrade that 6200. You can upgrade the ram and processer, but theres not a whole lot of point to be honest. It'll just mean spending alot more money on top of the already ludicrous 1,800.

The actual spec's of the machine aren't that bad - it's just the price you paid for them.

Tom Dunne

HavoK wrote:

I don't think you'd be able to upgrade that 6200. You can upgrade the ram and processer, but theres not a whole lot of point to be honest. It'll just mean spending alot more money on top of the already ludicrous 1,800.

I agree with Havok - it's doubtful you could upgrade the graphics card (or the processor for that matter). Do you have a link to anywhere on line for that system, Google throws up nothing.

I hate this piece of crap, it says its 1.7ghz, but EVEREST picks it up as a Pentium M 600mhz (6X100).. o_O I do not understand that.

The laptop usually drops speed when it is on battery, so this may explain it. Otherwise, it may be picking up the core speed and missing the multiplier for some reason.

TBH, selling it in Buy and Sell is probably your best bet. And come back to us for advice before you buy your next one.

subway

where did you buy that?
i think the least we can do is make sure they dont get any more business.

its an absolute disgrace that a shop would dump that on some unsuspecting punter like yourself,
although caveat emptor and all that - you could have at least checked out dell or pcworld.

Glazun

Well I knew Dell had a bad after sales service.. >_>; I was looking for something dual-core-ish. somehow it got late, it was a friday, I really wanted a laptop more than anything in the world, I was tired, I had my mother telling me it looked like a nice laptop, and I had BS mac specs in my head.. thinking "Hang on.. 1.7ghz.. that must be better than my old 300mhz IBM.. and that ibm was fast" but heck.. the IBM was faster.. really. I could EASILY run firefox, avg, trillian and open a media player with no slow down.. it sucked, but i got used to it, now the lappy is pretty much the same, I tried everything from deleteing almost everything on the laptop, to weekly defragmenting and security scans.. I even disabled XP themes until I realised there wasnt much speed difference.

Glazun

I bought it in a small retailer in Donegal, I preferr not to disclose the name as the owner has been dealing our technical things for a long time. He's usually quite cheap.. so when i saw 1,800 I thought there must be something ****ing great about this laptop.. because everything else there is pretty damn good...

wba88

go back to the shop and do one of these scenarios (cant spell)

1) talk to the owner and explain your situation, and find out if it was indeed a mistake.

2) go bck to the shop and look at other laptops with same or close spec to yours and see how much he is selling them for.

subway

http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:J6hcAdBUx94J:www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/NEC_i-Select_M5610_NN991700401/version.asp+m5610+geforce+6200&hl=en&gl=ie&ct=clnk&cd=1

the laptop cant even be bought anymore.
it was £580 to buy new, and thats god knows when.

seriously, name anf effin shame.
why should you be ripped off by this guy and then feel sorry for him?


btw, if you were looking for something dual-core-ish, then you must have known the a single core pentium-m was not top of the line?
did the shop tell you that it was a dual core machine or something?

wba88

£580 is near enough €800 so it must have been a 1 before the €800 mistake otherwise they really do deserve to be named & shamed!

Glazun

We'll see what happens friday, my machine is really coming up as 600mhz.. o_O its weird and explains a LOT.. mainly the fact that the laptop is getting hot without doing much. I shall name and shame them if things arent resolved.. >_>; *digs up receipts*

Glazun

Oh, and I dont know why i went with 1.7, it was a spure of the moment idiotic thing to do. -_-

Eh, hang on, >_> I got it for 1050euro.. I swear I paid 1,800, why the **** did I think that. O_o. I feel like an ass. -_-

Glazun

I am really ****ing confused though, how the **** did i think it was 1,800. I was so sure. I was really depressed that I spent so much, now i feel like an ass for buying such a cheap ass laptop.

Just gotta fix this damn 600mhz problem. its underclocking itself.. SOMEHOW..

Glazun

Seriously. HOW THE HELL did I manage to believe that. O_o I am really. really. confused. Anyway, the link to the NEC i-select M5610 is nice and all, but i have the NEC i-Select M5610i. I..i..i..:/ its a different case.. retarded track pad that starts going static after a while.

CivilServant

Glazun wrote:

<<<<<<Well I knew Dell had a bad after sales service>>>>

Dell have great after sales service. I accidently hopped my laptop off the floor and Dell replaced the dead screen no questions asked. Even sent a technician to do the repair in the comfort of my home.

I think you really need to go back to the store where you bought it from and demand the cash back. Even if you only get 80-90% of it back (restocking fee etc.) it would be better than hanging onto that POS. Seriously.

CivilServant

Glazun wrote:

We'll see what happens friday, my machine is really coming up as 600mhz.. o_O its weird and explains a LOT.. mainly the fact that the laptop is getting hot without doing much. I shall name and shame them if things arent resolved.. >_>; *digs up receipts*

Also the reason it might be coming up as 600 cos it could be in low voltage mode where the speed is halved, but that theory would make it 1.2Ghz processor.

petes

How did you manage to misplace €750?

TempestSabre

Those 1.7m have speedstep and will underclock to save battery life. Sounds like that laptop is over heating. You seriously overpaid for that laptop. If I was you I'd complain to the shop. I'd let them know that you now realise you were overcharged very badly and see what they say. A lot of smaller shops do sell at much higher prices, which is why you need to shop around.

I'd say that laptop is worth 500-700. Try selling it in the local shops, buy and sell and you might get someone to buy it. Or trade it in against another on in the same shop! You might loose less doing that. But I doubt it.

DublinEvents

If the laptop had scratches when you bought it, then it could be a used one and that might explain why it's heating up. It might be so old that the fan has died and in order for the processor to keep itself running cool, it is automatically underclocking itself to save itself from burning out. That could be one explanation. Go back to the shop and try to return it somehow.

Glazun

Ah, the 750, i spent it on things like the external HD.. and gave the rest back to my parents. ¬_¬;; forgot about that somehow.
But yeah, I paid 1050euro for the machine. I could sell it for like 900 possibly?
I went back to the store, and they told me that if i sell it for anything below 900 im giving it away, because its a 1.7ghz centrino processor with a gig of ram and stuff. I really want to get a new laptop, this one isnt built for my use at all, I need something that I can use for extensive periods of time. I'm even thinking of just getting a desktop atm. Would solve a lotta things.


Oh yeah, does anyone know if Compustore do trade ins?

TerrorFirmer

Glazun wrote:

Ah, the 750, i spent it on things like the external HD.. and gave the rest back to my parents. ¬_¬;; forgot about that somehow.
But yeah, I paid 1050euro for the machine. I could sell it for like 900 possibly?
I went back to the store, and they told me that if i sell it for anything below 900 im giving it away, because its a 1.7ghz centrino processor with a gig of ram and stuff. I really want to get a new laptop, this one isnt built for my use at all, I need something that I can use for extensive periods of time. I'm even thinking of just getting a desktop atm. Would solve a lotta things.

Not really. It is easy these days to get a superior C2D machine with a gig of ram for about the 800 mark, new. I'd estimate it's worth about 600, dependant on who you sell it to though. I'd seen P-M machines sell for around the 650 mark new even, as shops try to get rid of them.

Glazun

Hm. Thats sucky. >_>; Maybe I should just sell it for 600, and save up lots. Cut my losses in the long run.

Ghost Train

If you'r still having the speed problem, going in to the power options in control panel and changing the power scheme might change things.

Glazun

Nah, the speed problem isnt an issue anymore, its only if the laptop is on for long periods of time that it suddenly underclocks to 600mhz to conserve energy / cool down. So when the laptop is just turned on, its nice and fast and swift.

Ghost Train

Glazun wrote:

Nah, the speed problem isnt an issue anymore, its only if the laptop is on for long periods of time that it suddenly underclocks to 600mhz to conserve energy / cool down. So when the laptop is just turned on, its nice and fast and swift.

that definitely shouldnt happen, bring it back, tell them its faulty, overheating, tell them politely you want to return it, if they're any way decent they might return your money

if you need to demonstrate the fault run superpi for a few minutes with cpuz running to show the clock speed

Glazun

Well, when ever i bring it up in the shop, he starts to talk about plug in fans.. and that im probably covering the fan hole..

Super PI? The thing is, it has to get hot before its speed starts dropping.

Glazun

Actually, eah, I just ran SuperPi, while looking at the CPU speed, and it dropped to 600mhz.. so yeah. the graphics card is still cold though, just the CPU is hot.

Ghost Train

Glazun wrote:

Actually, eah, I just ran SuperPi, while looking at the CPU speed, and it dropped to 600mhz.. so yeah. the graphics card is still cold though, just the CPU is hot.

the cpu should only ever slow down if you set it too to save power, or if the cpu is getting dangerously hot and it does so to protect itself, it shouldnt be slowing down when you run some cpu intensive programs, that means whenever you need it to run fast its slowing down, no wonder your pissed with the performance

DemonOfTheFall

That laptop is faulty if you can't run the processor at 100% for as long as you feel like. Him giving you a plug in fan is not an acceptable solution either. Go to the shop, say you want it fixed and go to the manufacturer if they won't.

Ghost Train

"....go to the manufacturer if they won't"

The shop is responsable for the quality of the goods and the contract is with him, you are entitled to a refund, a replacement or a repair directly from the shop, you shouldn't be paying anything extra for the repair. Given that the laptop was faulty when you bought it, you have a good case to demand a refund, but since you've had the laptop a while that might be tricky to get. The seller has to sort out the problem for you and not fob you off to the manufacturer

TempestSabre

DemonOfTheFall wrote:

That laptop is faulty if you can't run the processor at 100% for as long as you feel like. Him giving you a plug in fan is not an acceptable solution either. ...

That part is right. Mention the small claims court.