Anyone every getting away from this

The_Chopper · 04-12-2006 9:10pm #1

Hand from the macau festival.

Blinds at 400/800
Folded to the SB who limps (55000)
BB checks with 10 3 (25000)

Flop Q 10 10
SB checks
BB checks

Turn 3
SB checks
BB leads for 1100
SB raises to 2800
BB raises to 5900
SB pushes all in for 55000

If you were the big blind what do you do?
Do we like the way the big blind has played the hand?

LuckyLloyd · 04-12-2006 9:55pm

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Ollieboy · 04-12-2006 9:59pm

If he as QQ or Q 10 there's not much you can do about, I would be getting my chips in there as fast as possible. I would have raise a lot more in the reraise, 5900 from 2800 is not that big of a raise, but there's no way your getting away from this hand if he has Q10 or QQ.

Played a hand on the 1st day in the WSOP like this, battle of the blinds, me in the SB him in the BB, very poor player and I was starting to take control of the table and had just won a big hand. Flop came JJ10, I hand AJ and limp into the pot, no other limpers, he bets the flop, I reraise he calls. I than check the turn, for some reason I had him on the full house so slow down, he had J9 and also slowed down as he also guess I hit the J, but he should have went bust in that hand, so unless your going to slow down, the monies going in kid

El Stuntman · 04-12-2006 10:03pm

damn, I'd love to say fold for the craic but I can't

in fact I'd probably rupture something shoving my chips in faster than Shergar won the Derby (that was pretty fast)

sikes · 04-12-2006 10:05pm

bet the flop, then if the action on the turn happens on the flop, u can get away

cardshark202 · 04-12-2006 10:13pm

I never fold this turn.

The_Chopper · 04-12-2006 10:24pm

Sorry the reraise on the turn was to 7900, that was a typo

valor · 04-12-2006 10:26pm

Never fold this hand

bet the flop

The_Chopper · 04-12-2006 11:17pm

So people generally think the flop should be bet by the big blind and there's no folding this. Even with the stack sizes been relatively large compared to the blinds.
The big blind in this hand was Conor Doyle an excellent solid player.

If I now added the information that the SB had Q 10, how do you think the small blind played this hand?

Ollieboy · 04-12-2006 11:26pm

The_Chopper wrote:

So people generally think the flop should be bet by the big blind and there's no folding this. Even with the stack sizes been relatively large compared to the blinds.
The big blind in this hand was Conor Doyle an excellent solid player.

If I now added the information that the SB had Q 10, how do you think the small blind played this hand?

With Conor in this hand I still would expect to be ahead, there's only 2 hands that beat you Q10 and QQ and its unlucky if thats what he has. Yes, you can slow down and try to keep the pot small and be a calling station, but it would be a great laydown to get away from it, not impossible and yes, because of the stack size's, I'm guessing both players will try to extract the most so you might not go broke here, but I'm betting 99% of the time you will.

sikes · 05-12-2006 12:30am

i think BB has to bet the flop here. there are few cards that will get him interested on the turn that doesnt put BBs hand in jepordy.

Betting the flop means you can get away from this hand if the flop action is replicated from the turn action. If he smooth calls the flop, well its all going in on that turn.

The_Chopper · 05-12-2006 12:46am

Ollieboy wrote:

With Conor in this hand I still would expect to be ahead, there's only 2 hands that beat you Q10 and QQ and its unlucky if thats what he has. Yes, you can slow down and try to keep the pot small and be a calling station, but it would be a great laydown to get away from it, not impossible and yes, because of the stack size's, I'm guessing both players will try to extract the most so you might not go broke here, but I'm betting 99% of the time you will.

Conor is the BB in this hand with 10, 3.
The small blind had Q 10.

Do you think the BB can ever get away from this?
How do you think the SB plays it?

Personally if I have 10, 3 I go broke every time.

The_Chopper · 05-12-2006 12:49am

sikes wrote:

i think u have to bet the flop here. there are few cards that will get him interested on the turn that doesnt put your hand in jepordy.

Betting the flop means you can get away from this hand if the flop action is replicated from the turn action. If he smooth calls the flop, well its all going in on that turn.

I assume you mean the BB (10, 3) has to bet the flop here?

sikes · 05-12-2006 1:12am

The_Chopper wrote:

I assume you mean the BB (10, 3) has to bet the flop here?

yeah, imo.

Also i think the SB should bet the turn to try to maximise our return when the BB has Qx, pocket pair, KJ, J9 etc.

LuckyLloyd · 05-12-2006 8:27am

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The_Chopper · 05-12-2006 6:32pm

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Thats sick for Conor - two weeks in a row where he has been absolutely cold - decked in a big tournament. About the only way you will beat him when he is on form too.

I think even if he bets the flop he will be called by the SB - they won't reraise there. And then, because he makes his house on the turn he still won't get away from it. I can't see how anyone could get away from this hand irrespective of what street they start betting on - after that turn all the money is going in.

I agree I think everyone probably goes broke here.
I was actually the SB in this hand - even if Conor had bet the flop I would have flat called. There's nothin I am really scared of baring a K or A coming off and I think I would have been raised with A 10 preflop.

By the way well done Corky for winning this tournament - you played the short stack brilliantly and 100% deserve the win.

Anyone every getting away from this

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