Set over Set

AKQJ10

Just wondering if people can get away from these as the last two times ive played cash iv been doing well and and then it all goes in to find out he has the higher set. If theres no flush or straight draw to ppl think it's always all getting in.

What about in tourney's aswell?

mfitz20

Yep I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. I blew my stack last nite in the fitz on a set of twos. (Who said twos never lose?) Flop was J 8 2 Villian had pocket jacks. I knew i was behind and yet continued to put money in!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

cardshark202

Don't fold sets.

MrPillowTalk

you have set, someone else has higher set, you go broke, end of.

pok3rplaya

I've done it once in about 400,000 hands. I must be better then all you guys.

Ste05

It's usually a mistake to fold a set. Don't do it.

mfitz20

Cardshark - Don't fold sets

Ever ?
when a tightish player is betting pot post flop and after the turn on a board that has no flush or straight draw do u always automatically call with bottom set ?

HalfBaked

mfitz20 wrote:

Cardshark - Don't fold sets

Ever ?
when a tightish player is betting pot post flop and after the turn on a board that has no flush or straight draw do u always automatically call with bottom set ?

Most of the time they will have top pair / two pair / overpair. Its just unfortunate to run into a higher set.

Mr. Flibble

Ages ago I had lost a fortune (related to the stakes) loosing set over set over and over again. I too thought long and hard about getting away from them in general. With a very good read on a nit one can get defo get away from them - but this is going to be very rare. Ive never been in a situation with a good enough read to fold a set and possibly never will. So, like the others say, never fold a set when a set is the nuts unless you 'know' the other guy has a set!

And sometimes the poker gods will rebalance the world and you'll have the higher set.

Lex

you have an out.

phantom_lord

I've never been in this situation, so the chances of me having a lower set and folding are quite remote. On a drawless board I can't imagine folding a set, I pretty much don't bother with pairs lower than 4s anyway so that lowers the likelihood.

On a positive note in all this doom and gloom thread, I busted a guy in a €800 pot last week with set over set. woot.

cooker3

phantom_lord wrote:

On a positive note in all this doom and gloom thread, I busted a guy in a €800 pot last week with set over set. woot.

Set is easy fold against a rock like you

valor

cardshark202 wrote:

Don't fold sets.

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LuckyLloyd

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Mellor

LuckyLloyd wrote:

If I get set over setted I will go broke every time. There are some things you can't worry about when playing - this is one of them.

agreed. Its like straight flush over ace high. Can't play afraid of them situations.

Mr. Flibble

Mellor wrote:

agreed. Its like straight flush over ace high. Can't play afraid of them situations.

I once only called a river bet with the A high flush in a cash game, to see a straight flush shown down Given, there was 4 to a straight flush on the board

TacT

Lex wrote:

you have an out.

haha, I do indeed, here's one from last month

Sleepover 10475440-44807 Holdem No Limit $0.25/$0.50
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Hand Start.
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Seat 1 : canavar has $42
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Seat 2 : McGrathJ has $27.90
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Seat 3 : MAXBOY has $99
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Seat 4 : bigbadmick has $0
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Seat 5 : sery has $15.95
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Seat 6 : ME has $65.34
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Seat 7 : dfolde has $28
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Seat 8 : BigSparkdogg has $122.98
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Seat 9 : Crank It has $34.50
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : BigSparkdogg is the dealer.
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : canavar posted small blind.
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : McGrathJ posted big blind.
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Game [44807] started with 7 players.
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Nov 15 13:17:19] : Seat 6 : hunkydunky has 4d 4h
[Nov 15 13:17:22] : MAXBOY called $0.50
[Nov 15 13:17:23] : sery called $0.50
[Nov 15 13:17:25] : ME called $0.50
[Nov 15 13:17:25] : dfolde folded.
[Nov 15 13:17:27] : BigSparkdogg folded.
[Nov 15 13:17:29] : canavar called $0.25 and raised $2
[Nov 15 13:17:33] : McGrathJ called $2
[Nov 15 13:17:37] : MAXBOY called $2
[Nov 15 13:17:38] : sery folded.
[Nov 15 13:17:41] : ME called $2
[Nov 15 13:17:42] : Dealing flop.
[Nov 15 13:17:42] : Board cards
[Nov 15 13:17:47] : canavar bet $4
[Nov 15 13:17:53] : McGrathJ called $4
[Nov 15 13:17:56] : MAXBOY called $4 and raised $4
[Nov 15 13:18:08] : ME called $8 and raised $54.84 and is All-in
[Nov 15 13:18:09] : canavar called $35.50 and is All-in
[Nov 15 13:18:11] : McGrathJ folded.
[Nov 15 13:18:11] : MAXBOY folded.
[Nov 15 13:18:11] : Showdown!
[Nov 15 13:18:11] : Seat 6 : ME has 4d 4h
[Nov 15 13:18:13] : Seat 1 : canavar has Tc Th
[Nov 15 13:18:13] : Seat 6 : ME has 4d 4h
[Nov 15 13:18:19] : Board cards
[Nov 15 13:18:19] : Seat 6 : ME has 4d 4h
[Nov 15 13:18:19] : ME has Four of a kind: 4s
[Nov 15 13:18:19] : Seat 1 : canavar has Tc Th
[Nov 15 13:18:19] : canavar has Full House : 10s full of 4s
[Nov 15 13:18:19] : ME wins $98.50 with Four of a kind: 4s
[Nov 15 13:18:29] : Hand is over.

ianmc38

To say never fold sets is a bit of an overstatement. Perhaps in shallow stacked 50-100 BB games, we should never fold sets on dry boards. However, if we are playing deep stacked with say 500+ bbs, we need to change our thinking.

cardshark202

ianmc38 wrote:

To say never fold sets is a bit of an overstatement. Perhaps in shallow stacked 50-100 BB games, we should never fold sets on dry boards. However, if we are playing deep stacked with say 500+ bbs, we need to change our thinking.

The only 500BB+ games I've played have been live, where the players are generally loose terrible which again means don't fold sets.

Mellor

Mr. Flibble wrote:

I once only called a river bet with the A high flush in a cash game, to see a straight flush shown down Given, there was 4 to a straight flush on the board

snap!!!

I had the ace, we got it all in one the turn will 4567 diamonds.
He had the three, and the river wasn't the eight ;(

peeko

Mellor wrote:

snap!!!

I had the ace, we got it all in one the turn will 4567 diamonds.
He had the three, and the river wasn't the eight ;(

GRRR opposite thing happened to me last weekend. there was a 4578d flop, I had the Ace. One person before me raised all in for 60xBB, the next player raised all in for about 200xBB, I agonised, folded as the 200BB player had good stats, 60BB dude had the 3 and the 200BB had the 9. No 6d on the river and we had one angry peeko!

califano

I was involved in a hand against halfbaked in a tournament at the weekend where at one stage i was set over overpair then finished set under set. Never was there an all in during this hand. Thats restraint for ya boys!

ianmc38

That's cos Peter's far too tight to value bet top set on that board. He had the gaul to tell me he put you on JJ. That's why he raised the flop and called the turn