Live PLO hand - flop, turn and river decision

cardshark202

SE €50 Omaha. Blinds 1-1.

Stacks: Villain: 230ish. I cover

We are 6-handed. I can't remember the exact preflop action but there were 5 to the flop for €6. I am in SB with KJT8ss

Flop(30) K36r
Checked to villain in CO who bets 30. I decide to call here. All others fold.

Turn(90) K putting possible club draw on board
I check, villain bets 75, I think and call.

River(180) 7r
I check, villain pushes for 130. I ????

Villain is Oberon who likes to fire several barrels when weakness is shown. He is capable of shoving here with a straight but also will do it a lot with air and obviously a house.

LuckyLloyd

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Rnger

with 5 players seeing the flop, i have to give him credit for a hand. I fold the flop

ianmc38

Against Oberon, it's a very standard call on the river.

cardshark202

Results: After a long dwell up, I called the river and Oberon mucked pretty quickly. This was minutes after I had needled him about how he's "always bluffing".

LuckyLloyd

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RacingSilver

Rnger said you should have folded the flop and he is right - your hand is garbage.
Having said that, it makes absolutely no sense to fold the river after calling the turn. You're getting nearly 3/1 and you KNEW after the turn that the river card was quite likely to be a scare card.

Regardless of the opponent, you got lucky, your play was -EV.
Better to fold after that crap flop.

The comments from the other respondents don't make much sense.

The_Chopper

Having no reads i fold the flop everytime.
Good call on the river though

ianmc38

RacingSilver wrote:

Rnger said you should have folded the flop and he is right - your hand is garbage.
Having said that, it makes absolutely no sense to fold the river after calling the turn. You're getting nearly 3/1 and you KNEW after the turn that the river card was quite likely to be a scare card.

Regardless of the opponent, you got lucky, your play was -EV.
Better to fold after that crap flop.

The comments from the other respondents don't make much sense.

As i said originally, this i a very standard call against Oberon.

He also has a blatantly obvious bet size tell....

Calling on the flop against only Oberon with top pair is not necessarily -EV, so RacingSilver please give your opinion on why you think differently.

LuckyLloyd

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ntlbell

LuckyLloyd wrote:

To be perfectly honest - I think this is a very argumentative and aggressive first post.

Another good call...

You ARE on a roll..

cardshark202

RacingSilver wrote:

Rnger said you should have folded the flop and he is right - your hand is garbage.
Having said that, it makes absolutely no sense to fold the river after calling the turn. You're getting nearly 3/1 and you KNEW after the turn that the river card was quite likely to be a scare card.

Regardless of the opponent, you got lucky, your play was -EV.
Better to fold after that crap flop.

The comments from the other respondents don't make much sense.

Hello Oberon.;)

I agree my flop call was dodgy. Also I should maybe crai the turn. But since I didn't I think the river call is standard enough.

On the whole though, I don't think this line is absolutely terrible against this specific opponent.

RacingSilver

Hi Cardshark

It seems that my original comments have not met with universal approval !
Firstly, I have no idea who Oberon is, it’s certainly not me, I would never play like that. You have called on the turn with 2 Kings showing.
How then can he possibly bet the river and expect you to fold (with the added bonus of getting nearly 3/1 pot odds) ?

Ianmc38 mentioned “He also has a blatantly obvious bet size tell....”.
If you knew this, then you should have included in your first post. If you have such a tell, then the discussion of the technical play becomes irrelevant.

I agree my flop call was dodgy. Also I should maybe c/raise the turn. But since I didn't I think the river call is standard enough.

Yes, I agree. Does my original post not indicate this ?

On the whole though, I don't think this line is absolutely terrible against this specific opponent.

I agree again. I don’t think it’s absolutely terrible against such an opponent either. But I do think it’s –EV.

Ianmc38 stated

Calling on the flop against only Oberon with top pair is not necessarily -EV, so RacingSilver please give your opinion on why you think differently.

Firstly, the OP did not call ONLY against Oberon. It was checked to Oberon, he bet, the OP called, there were 2 or 3 others to act. So the hand may not have been heads up.
Secondly, if Oberon is the aggressive player he appears to be, there is quite a good chance that one of these other players would expect him to bet that flop if all checked to him. This increases the chance that one of these remaining players checked the flop with the intention of check-raising Oberon. If that happens, then the OP must fold.
Thirdly, your hand is quite poor. If you had position on Oberon I wouldn’t argue against the call, but you’re out of position with a poor hand. I think playing such hands against anybody is a loser in the long run.

LuckyLloyd said my post was very argumentative and aggressive.
I didn’t realise that one of the requirements was to be generally agreeable.
I certainly didn’t mean to offend anybody.
I stated that the replies from the other respondents did not make sense
i.e. LuckyLloyd said that Oberon would put him on a club draw – if so, what was he calling the flop for ?
Ianmc38 said that against Oberon, it's a very standard call on the river. I maintain that it’s an auto-call against anybody on the river.

Regards

RS

LuckyLloyd

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cardshark202

Hi racingsilver, was only kidding about the oberon joke. Yeah I'm not thrilled with my play.
You mentioned about there being others to act which is true but the players were quite predictable in that I was near certain they were folding. Anyway, your points are taken.
Just out of interest, do you play any of the live omaha games in dublin? Just wondering if I might know who you are.

RacingSilver

I just thought you displayed a slightly suspicious tone for a new user making their first post.

I may be a new user in this forum, but I do participate on some other forums.
Also the fact that I'm a new user doesn't mean that I'm new to PLO.

People shouldn't get offended if other people think that they may have misplayed a hand. It's a lot cheaper to learn the lesson here than it is at the table.

RacingSilver

Hi Cardshark
You're unlikely to know me, I haven't played in Dublin in over 10 years, but I plan to get up there for one of the tournies next year.

Ps -just looked at your "Best Site Ever". Very good - thanks for the link.