Boards.ie Cash League - Poll 2 - Time span of the league...

Flipper

Ok, as 50% of the 57 voters picked $100, it looks like this is the amount we'll all start with. The other important factor is the time-span the league will be over. Select your preference above.

ntlbell

I don't see a poll?

phantom_lord

Need a poll...

aidankk

about 2 weeks.. id say..

Flipper

it's working now....

[nicK]

hmm.. cash league? i'd definately be interested.. could you provide a link to the first topic that explains how it works?

Shortstack

Right folks, I have been thinking about this over the last few days.

1. The reports I have access to are very generic and do not show individual sessions, all I get is an overall cash & tourney P&L therefore players will have to keep track of their progress themselves and i will verify the the winners account by means of them sending me a screen shot of the account transactions for the period.

2. How about a monthly league with a prize for the weekly winners also? This will help motivate players who start off badly and keep interest if some one is way ahead for the month.

3. There needs to be a minumum number of table hours/week to qualify. I would suggest 10 for the weekly and 40 for the monthly prizes. Results should be profit/table hour.

4. We need to pick a level that counts for league. This will allow bigger players to earn their living at higher stakes whilst also participating in the league. I would say .50/1 is about right as it allows a range of buy ins to suit peoples budget / strategies.

5. A max loss figure will need to be set to make a player busto and take away the advantage that a player may have by being able to reload as many times as they can, I would suggest $1000 at this level.

6. How does $1000 for the Monthly winner and $200 for the weekly winners to start with sound? This is flexible dpending on the extra rake this generates for GJP. There must be at least 10 participants for this offer to stand.

Mike

DeVore

What Mike said, though I'm still unclear how we differentiate sessions that count compared to those that dont at various levels. I came into this late though so I will read back the other threads...

DeV.

Flipper

[nicK] wrote:

hmm.. cash league? i'd definately be interested.. could you provide a link to the first topic that explains how it works?

First mentioned: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055021394

First poll: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055021742

I think I speak for everyone when I say thanks to Mike for getting involved in this. I agree with a lot of your ideas Mike but I also think we should have some input from a few potential participants....

Personally, I like the idea of ALL players (high rollers and micro-grinders alike) to begin with the same amount. I think it would be really interesting to see what methods people use to roll up the $100 into big sums. I'm sure someone will run away it by getting a big touch in an MTT or something like that. It'll also be interesting to see if as a group we end up winners and what methods were the most successful.

Imposter

It's probably been said already but surely someone needs to just check the starting balance, the end balance and the transaction history throughout the timeframe (to ensure no withdrawals/deposits) in order for this to be verified!

I like Flippers idea best - everyone starting with different amounts is silly imo.

luckylucky

Flipper wrote:

First mentioned: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055021394

First poll: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055021742

I think I speak for everyone when I say thanks to Mike for getting involved in this. I agree with a lot of your ideas Mike but I also think we should have some input from a few potential participants....

Personally, I like the idea of ALL players (high rollers and micro-grinders alike) to begin with the same amount. I think it would be really interesting to see what methods people use to roll up the $100 into big sums. I'm sure someone will run away it by getting a big touch in an MTT or something like that. It'll also be interesting to see if as a group we end up winners and what methods were the most successful.

With flipper on this one, Mike's input is welcome from my point of view too and I agree with him largely, except I do think the level of games though should be left up to the individual and it'll make it interesting as flipper says to see different people's approaches.

Lafortezza

Do you all trust people when there's prize money up for grabs?

Imposter

lafortezza wrote:

Do you all trust people when there's prize money up for grabs?

If the starting balance, finishing balance and transactions can be checked where is the problem (other than collusion - which is always a problem with poker)?

Shortstack

The problem I have with everybody starting with an equal amount is that is not a cash game league - it is then a 'who can spin $100 up the fastest' competition.

I also have a problem putting a prize up for a competition that involves people having to take money out of their accounts and stop playing their usual games as well.

Personally I would not play if I had to withdraw and only play with $100 for the timespan of the competetion. Of course I can't really play if I am going to be putting up the prize and being the verifier anyway.

With regards to LuckyLucky's point about different levels that could be accomadated using BB/hr results and matching busto limits - ie: $1000 for .5/1, $500 for .25/.5, $10,000 for $5/$10 etc.

If you wanted to do a $100 spin up competition I can organise that and maybe it could be in a 24hr period. I would have to see the number of entrants before deciding on a prize level though.

DeVore

The other way it could be done would be for players to decide an amount as their initial stack. Suppose for example I have 5k in my account. I might decide I want to play 500 of it in this league. Now, I still play my usual 2/4 game and the number of multiples of 500 I end UP is my score. So, if I turn my 5k into 7k then I have scored 4 (being 4 times my declared starting amount).

So why not choose 1$ and have many multiples of 1 as your score (2k in the above example)? Well because if you ever drop your declared amount BELOW your starting stack (ie: 4,500) then you have flatlined in the league and are out.

So, this way someone who wants to spin 100$ up can compete against people who want to play 2k seriously.

Example 2: I have 100 in my account and I choose to play 100$ as my league amount. I score 1 for every 100 dollars more then $100 I end up with.

Example 3: I have 12k in my account and I choose to play 1k as my league amount. I score 1 point for every 1k above 12k I end up with. If I ever fall below 11k , I'm out.

Does that make sense?

luckylucky

DeVore wrote:

The other way it could be done would be for players to decide an amount as their initial stack. Suppose for example I have 5k in my account. I might decide I want to play 500 of it in this league. Now, I still play my usual 2/4 game and the number of multiples of 500 I end UP is my score. So, if I turn my 5k into 7k then I have scored 4 (being 4 times my declared starting amount).

So why not choose 1$ and have many multiples of 1 as your score (2k in the above example)? Well because if you ever drop your declared amount BELOW your starting stack (ie: 4,500) then you have flatlined in the league and are out.

So, this way someone who wants to spin 100$ up can compete against people who want to play 2k seriously.

Example 2: I have 100 in my account and I choose to play 100$ as my league amount. I score 1 for every 100 dollars more then $100 I end up with.

Example 3: I have 12k in my account and I choose to play 1k as my league amount. I score 1 point for every 1k above 12k I end up with. If I ever fall below 11k , I'm out.

Does that make sense?

Sounds very sensible to me, there is one downside to it though, those starting with a lower declared amount would have a big advantange due to the lower standard in lower limits, as one poster said before,it's much easier to get $10 up to $200 than getting $1k to $20k. But maybe if we have just 2 or 3 sections to split it up then it could be somewhat fairer. Anyway your basic idea is definitely very good , Im just elaborating on it.

jacQues

Flipper wrote:

Ok, as 50% of the 57 voters picked $100, it looks like this is the amount we'll all start with. The other important factor is the time-span the league will be over. Select your preference above.

Actually, its 39% (still the majority). There seems to be something wrong with the percentages shown. Same with this poll. Better calculate it yourself.

jacQues

Imposter

So basically Dev's idea is for everyone to specify a unit amount, regardless of bankroll size, possibly regardless of stakes and once you are -1 or more (in units) you are out, otherwise your score in the end is the number of units you are up! This sounds like a nightmare to verify!

The idea of running 100 up to whatever works for a few reasons:
- It's pretty easy to verify.
- The pros can spend other time playing there normal games and play this a bit on the side (or alternatively play it 24/7) but those of us with 'real' jobs can also play here a few hours a week. It might even the playing time part of things

Shortstack

It's not really that hard to verify as only the winner's records need to be done.

luckylucky

jacQues wrote:

Actually, its 39% (still the majority). There seems to be something wrong with the percentages shown. Same with this poll. Better calculate it yourself.

jacQues

I'm guessing that as it's a multi-choice poll and seeing as people can therefore vote for more than 1 option, the percentages reflect the percentage of people that voted for an item, rather than the percentage of votes.

Anyways looking forwrd to this kicking off in whatever guise it takes.

DeVore

Luckylucky,

It may be easier to spin $10 into $200 but you have no room for mistake as if you lose just $10 you are out. Not much room for manouvre there!

DeV.