River Decision

Ste05

I'm currently doing a Blog type challenge and I'm playing .25/.50 on Tribeca and I'm still struggling to come to terms with some of the mad plays and players. So here's a quite tricky river decision I had today and I'd like people's action and thoughts based on the average Tribeca player based below.

I'm happy with how I played it but I'd like thoughts from the multitude of people who have more experience of these Tribeca players than me. Would you call or fold the River based on the Standard unknown Tribeca .25/.50 Donk.

For what it's worth, the Villain had only just sat down and was 29/0/1.5 over the first 17 hands and he bought in for the max of $100.

I hadn't really done anything while he'd been at the table, nor had I seen him do anything too mad, I was basically just playing on auto-pilot and doing other things... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Nov 29 17:33:54] : Hand Start.
[Nov 29 17:33:54] : Seat 1 : java71 has $15.58
[Nov 29 17:33:54] : Seat 2 : mullhouz has $29.50
[Nov 29 17:33:54] : Seat 3 : theduke44 has $99.69
[Nov 29 17:33:54] : Seat 4 : Fakku2 has $56.05
[Nov 29 17:33:54] : Seat 5 : HERO has $109.05
[Nov 29 17:33:54] : Seat 6 : earthman has $56.25
[Nov 29 17:33:54] : Fakku2 is the dealer.
[Nov 29 17:33:55] : HERO posted small blind.
[Nov 29 17:33:56] : earthman posted big blind.
[Nov 29 17:33:56] : Game [55101] started with 6 players.
[Nov 29 17:33:56] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Nov 29 17:33:56] : Seat 5 : HERO has 7h 7d
[Nov 29 17:33:59] : java71 called $0.50
[Nov 29 17:34:02] : mullhouz folded.
[Nov 29 17:34:03] : theduke44 called $0.50
[Nov 29 17:34:06] : Fakku2 called $0.50
[Nov 29 17:34:08] : HERO called $0.25
[Nov 29 17:34:09] : earthman checked.
[Nov 29 17:34:09] : Dealing flop.
[Nov 29 17:34:09] : Board cards [Jd Ac Ts] POT: $2.50
[Nov 29 17:34:11] : HERO checked.
[Nov 29 17:34:13] : earthman checked.
[Nov 29 17:34:15] : java71 checked.
[Nov 29 17:34:17] : theduke44 checked.
[Nov 29 17:34:19] : Fakku2 checked.
[Nov 29 17:34:20] : Dealing turn.
[Nov 29 17:34:20] : Board cards [Jd Ac Ts 7c] POT: $2.50
[Nov 29 17:34:24] : HERO bet $4
[Nov 29 17:34:27] : earthman folded.
[Nov 29 17:34:30] : java71 called $4
[Nov 29 17:34:32] : theduke44 called $4
[Nov 29 17:34:32] : Fakku2 folded.
[Nov 29 17:34:32] : Dealing river.
[Nov 29 17:34:32] : Board cards [Jd Ac Ts 7c Tc] POT: $14.50
[Nov 29 17:34:39] : HERO bet $8
[Nov 29 17:34:40] : java71 called $8
[Nov 29 17:34:45] : theduke44 called $8 and raised $87.19 and is All-in and I have him covered..... CALL or FOLD???

EDIT: There was a very specific reason why I bet 8 on the River, which I'll explain later, but feel free to comment on the amount if needed.

EDIT 2: Anyone know of a Tribeca hand convertor to use??

valor

call

phantom_lord

call

RoadSweeper

Call, you wont loose this often.
I say a slow played straight.

Ste05

Any reasonings lads, I'm more looking for thoughts about how the average Tribeca donk thinks...

sikes

FLOP: Oh **** i have the nuts, better not bet.
TURN: Getting really tricky here think i will call again.
RIVER: Oh ****, my hand is really in danger, better push so they dont call.

is basically what they are thinking

RoadSweeper

they will always push all in.

"a big bluff is what makes you a brilliant poker player"

phantom_lord

sikes wrote:

FLOP: Oh **** i have the nuts, better not bet.
TURN: Getting really tricky here think i will call again.
RIVER: Oh ****, my hand is really in danger, better push so they dont call.

is basically what they are thinking

that's pretty much it

xha1r

Juding from the quick look I had he can only win with either 4 of a kind or a flush.

And personally, if I was in his situation, and had either flush or 4oak, I wouldn't go all in; I'd raise $30-50 as it'd increase the likelihood of you pushing. That's my opinion anyway.

So if I were you, I'd say he's bluffing, or had 3 of a kind max, and I'd push.

valor

hmm I didnt notice this was 2 buyins deep

ntlbell

Call in a flash.

Another thing Ste I can't seem to see how much you started with?

I was planning on trying one of these challenges

phantom_lord

xha1r wrote:

Juding from the quick look I had he can only win with either 4 of a kind or a flush.

house beats a flush.

empirix

4 of a kind or a flush!!! I'd put him on A 10 myself

this is low limits on tribeca here boys!!!! cowboys the lot of em

RoadSweeper

xha1r wrote:

Juding from the quick look I had he can only win with either 4 of a kind or a flush.

Ste has a house

Ste05

ntlbell wrote:

Call in a flash.

Another thing Ste I can't seem to see how much you started with?

I was planning on trying one of these challenges

I started the hand with $109.05 and the Blog challenge with $1,000. Do it NTL.

Has noone considered that I have the worst possible house out there, this went through my head at the time.

BTW I did call, so after some more responses I'll let you all know what he had.

empirix

Ste05 wrote:

I started the hand with $109.05 and the Blog challenge with $1,000. Do it NTL.

Has noone considered that I have the worst possible house out there, this went through my head at the time.

BTW I did call, so after some more responses I'll let you all know what he had.

yes i did and A 10 IS a very playable hand

valor

I still think its a call, if you lost it was to 107.

fobster

empirix wrote:

yes i did and A 10 IS a very playable hand

Would the typical tribeca player at .25/.50 raise with A 10 pre-flop? Y/N?

I'd say he has a flush or trips, can't see him having a house here.

What was the reason for the $8 bet on the river? Just doubling your turn bet?

Edit: The only hand that realistically has you beaten is T7 as Valor said, can't see many players with JT, AT checking that flop.

RoadSweeper

fobster wrote:

Would the typical tribeca player at .25/.50 raise with A 10 pre-flop? Y/N?

yep, think alot would.

Ste05

fobster wrote:

What was the reason for the $8 bet on the river? Just doubling your turn bet?

It was kind of 2 fold, I assumed the shorty would push, and then the big stack could only call but would call with a much wider range because I couldn't go over the top, hence I was restricting how much I could lose and I thought I was maximising how much I would win against 2 worse hands. I never thought the big stack would play for stacks without a better hand than me, nor that the small stack would only call. :eek:

bops

being a tribecca donkey myself - i would say that you are beat!!

let me see:
AA JJ TT AT JT and T7
i'm gonna go with his lovely slowrolled aces - which you paid off!! - nice overbet!!

The Sheriff 101

bops wrote:

being a tribecca donkey myself - i would say that you are beat!!

let me see:
AA JJ TT AT JT and T7
i'm gonna go with his lovely slowrolled aces - which you paid off!! - nice overbet!!

I have a sick feeling he floped a set like bops said

Ste05

I'll say one thing, I wasn't in anyway worried about a flopped set, more something like 10x (where the x is a 7, J, A).

opr

The Sheriff 101 wrote:

I have a sick feeling he floped a set like bops said

Guys do you not think a few of this range might have raised Preflop ??

Opr

opr

Ste05 wrote:

I'll say one thing, I wasn't in anyway worried about a flopped set, more something like 10x (where the x is a 7, J, A).

I think at this level on Tribea a bet like this on the end usually represents either a complete bluff with air or a huge hand.

Because of the short stack i don't think Villian is gonna do this will complete air so i probably fold.

Opr

Ste05

Well I'll tell you all what he had. K2c for the nut flush. I called pretty quick although did worry slightly about the other houses. I thought he'd do this with a flush and it fitted mostly with his turn call. Anything else would have raised the turn, but I'm finding these Tribeca players so bad, it's hard to get into their head, hence the post.

empirix

Ste05 wrote:

Well I'll tell you all what he had. K2c for the nut flush. I called pretty quick although did worry slightly about the other houses. I thought he'd do this with a flush and it fitted mostly with his turn call. Anything else would have raised the turn, but I'm finding these Tribeca players so bad, it's hard to get into their head, hence the post.

How can you say this, you thought he would do this for a flush? this is low end stakes on tribeca, you cant think anything on these tables, its like russian roulette on some of em.

A lot of people with the nut flush would of made a considerable raise here and in my opinion you had a hand that couldnt be folded, course you were gonna call - sorry but your milkin it here. Nice pot though, well done, keep me updated how long it lasts!!

Ste05

empirix wrote:

How can you say this, you thought he would do this for a flush? this is low end stakes on tribeca, you cant think anything on these tables, its like russian roulette on some of em.

A lot of people with the nut flush would of made a considerable raise here and in my opinion you had a hand that couldnt be folded, course you were gonna call - sorry but your milkin it here. Nice pot though, well done, keep me updated how long it lasts!!

I can say this because it made sense. And I didn't think he'd do it with a flush, but his story made no sense and when i thought about it, for not very long, I concluded his most likely hand was a flush and so called. Just because he could have a hand that beats us doesn't mean he has it, I look over the history of the whole hand and then use all that information to make my decision.

What else would not raise PF, check a flop and then check call a bet on the turn that was already called before him, usually speaking this would be a no brainer the only reason I even posted this hand was to try and get some insight into a Tribeca players mind, as I've seen some completely crazy stuff. I'm not going to change my game, I'm just trying to adjust it slightly. If a play doesn't make sense then I'll play accordingly, this was one such as that. I was just hoping for some thoughts on how an average Tribeca player thinks.

BTW, What am I milking? I'm also slightly confused by your last comment. Also, if you really want to be updated about how I do, just read my Blog.

empirix

Ste05 wrote:

I can say this because it made sense. And I didn't think he'd do it with a flush, but his story made no sense and when i thought about it, for not very long, I concluded his most likely hand was a flush and so called. Just because he could have a hand that beats us doesn't mean he has it, I look over the history of the whole hand and then use all that information to make my decision.

What else would not raise PF, check a flop and then check call a bet on the turn that was already called before him, usually speaking this would be a no brainer the only reason I even posted this hand was to try and get some insight into a Tribeca players mind, as I've seen some completely crazy stuff. I'm not going to change my game, I'm just trying to adjust it slightly. If a play doesn't make sense then I'll play accordingly, this was one such as that. I was just hoping for some thoughts on how an average Tribeca player thinks.

BTW, What am I milking? I'm also slightly confused by your last comment. Also, if you really want to be updated about how I do, just read my Blog.

Yes i know that "Just because he could have a hand that beats us doesn't mean he has it" but what i was saying was you would of called anyway, even if he had 10's full of A's. You were calling either way, just like most folk would.