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Very interesting sub video

  • 28-11-2006 07:23PM
    #1
    damo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_718dOW09k


    Very unorthodox kind of arm bar...any of the more experienced grapplers on here ever come accross it before?


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  • #2
    gymrabbit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭gymrabbit


    ouch. looks like he broke his arm. really just yanked his arm across. :(


  • #3
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    looked like a version of waki gatame on the hip :confused:

    oddly enough theres a very similar movement in some aikido styles...lock the elbow and rotate your hips 180 or even 360 degrees. Means the other fella has to move with it sharpish or what happened in that bout might result :eek:


  • #4
    Valmont
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭Valmont


    absolutely brutal, I don't think you can call it a submission as the guy doesn't really get a chance to submit!


  • #5
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Ouchies. It does look like he broke the guys arm or dislocated the elbow. His elbow seems to go in a direction that elbows don't go.


  • #6
    john kavanagh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭john kavanagh


    the problem with subs like this one (from a sporting point of view) is that there is no time for the tap. a typical sub (like arm bar from guard) goes from

    attack - pain - greater pain - break, hopefully the guy taps during the 'pain part'

    but with subs like this (and i would include twisting knee locks here) it goes more like

    attack - break, with little to no 'pain' stage


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  • #7
    droc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭droc


    From a sporting point of view, you're absolutely right.

    From a reality 'street/self defense' point of view I don't think they're easily applicable. If you look at Aoki's reaction, he doesn't appear to realise that he's broken his arm and seems a little confused when the ref stops it. It was a bit of a fluke IMO and I don't think that was even what he was trying to do.

    DROC


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