Pinky

Killaqueen!!!

Anyone ever hear of them? <SNIP> They're a three-piece band (I think) but the lead singer introduced only himself - "Hi I'm Pinky). Anyway you should check out they're myspace they're really good. They only have a vinyl single out I think but I'm awaiting a debut album.

John

Please don't discuss MCD events on boards, thank you!

I've heard Pinky a few times and I think he's terrible. Terribly clichéd singer songwriter pap.

Killaqueen!!!

<SNIP>

How can you not like Pinky? really cool funky catchy songs! great singer too IMO.

John

Lol, stop mentioning MCD events!!!!

I just don't like Pinky, I don't think his songs are any good and I certainly don't think he's a good singer.

pinksoir

i'd have to agree with john i'm afraid. pinky certainly is talentless. no sense of melody or harmony or anything. same old sh**e different singer.

John

Straight from the horse's mouth ladies and gentlemen.

pinksoir

yes. i've taken your critism to heart and i've decided, after much deliberation, to quit music altogether and instead post on forums about how crap other bands are. it's pretty unfulfilling, but hey, someone's got to do it.

Miguel_Sanchez

Yeah saw Pinky as a support act there a few months back. For one song I thought 'ehh... maybe' but then he lost me completely and I was just glad when he finished.

Some girls I was with seemed to love him though. Not sure if this was more to do with the threads he was wearing rather than the music he was playing though.

pinksoir

wonder what gig that was. well, as it says in your signature "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man". incidently a view that includes quite a low opinion of women when it comes to music.

Jeff_Lebowski wrote:

Some girls I was with seemed to love him though. Not sure if this was more to do with the threads he was wearing rather than the music he was playing though.

must have been the 'threads'. women clearly can't form their own opinions about music that isn't based on the clothes the act wears. good observation.

John

pinksoir wrote:

yes. i've taken your critism to heart and i've decided, after much deliberation, to quit music altogether and instead post on forums about how crap other bands are. it's pretty unfulfilling, but hey, someone's got to do it.

Well it's a hobby of mine :rolleyes:

Seriously, if you've a problem with people not liking your music, don't go out there and perform it. It's not like I haven't listened to your music, I've seen you live and it really wasn't my cup of tea. I've checked your myspace to see whether I just caught you on a bad night but no, still not a fan.

pinksoir

ah yeah i don't mind people criticising me or not liking my stuff. there are some that like it and likewise some that don't. i certainly won't take any offence by it. just havin a laugh in here. good times...!

out of curiosity, what is your cup of tea?

John

OK, I thought you were getting narky (or narf!y) but once we're on the same page.

An awful lot of things are my cup of tea (I've about 2000 albums), I'll give anything a listen and if I like it, I'll buy it and if I don't I'll leave it. I'll offer my opinion on it in any case.

pinksoir

yeah, i saw you were a moderator in experimental. its good to have a broad range of musical taste but sometimes it can lead to an all round appreciation for music without any specific favourites. there must be some band(s) that stick out to you and you go back to again and again...

Sinfonia

John wrote:

OK, I thought you were getting narky (or narf!y)

Nice:D


I was thinking I knew the name and I just remembered from where!
I have the 'Jack The Lad'/'Casanova Blues' 7"

I'll have to echo John here, it's just not my cup of tea (listened to the myspace stuff aswell). Having said that, it's not awful or anything, I wouldn't be rushing to turn it off.
Also, (God this is awkward, I hate criticising to someone's face! - so to speak - so to type!) your voice just doesn't do it for me, and that can kind of ruin stuff for me
Ever listen to the postal service? Some of the music's ok, but I cannot listen to that man sing.

pinksoir

nah never listened to the postal service.

/edit just listened to the myspace. not my thing but i can't see (hear) any problem with the vocal. but i could see why, if you didn't like yer man's vocal, you wouldn't like mine. not entirely dissimilar tone and body wise.edit/

dunno, i suppose you either like a singer or not. personal preference and all that. there are loads of factors to what makes a vocal subjectively appealing; colour, tone, pitch etc.

but one gripe i would have with john's opinion of "i certainly don't think he's a good singer" would be that he confuses subjectivity with objectivity. he may not like the subjective qualities of my voice, which is fair enough, but the thing is i am a good (technical) singer. i have been a professional singer since i was eight. whether or not the subjective quality of the vocal appeals or not is entirely that, subjective.

floyben!! so to speak.

Frankiestylee

Ah now, I wasn't going to post (though it is a rather funny thread), but I've seen Pinky play live and one of my biggest complaints was the amount of flat notes he was hitting (or not as the case may be). It made me say "classical trained singer... my ass", though maybe that was just down to the night in question, when a certain promoter had Pinky supporting a band he was totally unsuited to and it resulted in boos and general abuse from the crowd.

pinksoir

which gig was that?

Sinfonia

pinksoir wrote:

/edit just listened to the myspace. not my thing but i can't see (hear) any problem with the vocal. but i could see why, if you didn't like yer man's vocal, you wouldn't like mine. not entirely dissimilar tone and body wise.edit/

Actually it's mostly his accent and the way he enunciates that annoys me

pinksoir

touché.

Frankiestylee

pinksoir wrote:

which gig was that?

I can't say exactly cause it's against ye olde forum rules, but lets say some hillbillies were crankin out some AC(lightning strike)DC, K?

pinksoir

hahah. i git yi *tips nose*. had a feeling it was that one. yeah that was ages ago. pretty odd one to be doing i'll agree. couldn't wait to get off the stage!

John

pinksoir wrote:

but one gripe i would have with john's opinion of "i certainly don't think he's a good singer" would be that he confuses subjectivity with objectivity. he may not like the subjective qualities of my voice, which is fair enough, but the thing is i am a good (technical) singer. i have been a professional singer since i was eight. whether or not the subjective quality of the vocal appeals or not is entirely that, subjective.

Just because you sing professionally doesn't make you good. The time I saw you live you hit a fair few flats like Frankie said (different gig, you were supporting The Jimmy Cake). It wasn't just my view, the others I was with were of the same opinion. In any case, not all great vocalists are good singers but unfortunately, in my book, you are neither a good singer nor a good vocalist. In any case, I was asked why I don't like your music (look at the third post in this thread) so I gave my opinions which yes are subjective but at the time of the gig I was listening to you objectively because that's what I do when I listen to someone for the first time.

As for artists that stick out that I come back to time and time again:
Einstuerzende Neubauten
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
Neil Young
The Jimmy Cake
Coil
Throbbing Gristle
Current 93
Nurse With Wound
Sigur Rós
Cat Power
My Bloody Valentine
Sun Ra
Albert Ayler
Tindersticks
Can
Faust
A Silver Mt. Zion
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Fovea Hex
Planxty
Larsen
The Flaming Lips
Low
Melvins
Swans
The Angels of Light
Bonnie 'Prince' Billy
The Velvet Underground
Nurse With Wound
Tool
Wire
Joy Division
Antony and the Johnsons

would be all artists I'd listen to at least one album a month by (some of them I'd listen to every day).

pinksoir

jimmy cake in the village? if so that was when we were only really starting off and i can attribute the flatness to nerves and general early day incidentals, as i'm sure you may appreciate. ah well. either you like a vocalist or not. and you obviously don't!!

yeah, a fair few of those bands are sweet. can, faust, sigur ros, godspeed, jimmy cake, flaming lips, velvets, anthony.

for me it would be kinks,
beatles,
david bowie,
paul simon,
stevie wonder,
shiina ringo,
blankey jet city,
jellyfish,
michael knight,
aretha franklin,
django reinhardt.

and therein the differences lie!

Frankiestylee

John you said Nurse with Wound Twice, that's minus a gizzilion points for you I'm afraid.

John

They're so good they need to be mentioned twice.

Miguel_Sanchez

pinksoir wrote:

wonder what gig that was. well, as it says in your signature "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man". incidently a view that includes quite a low opinion of women when it comes to music.

must have been the 'threads'. women clearly can't form their own opinions about music that isn't based on the clothes the act wears. good observation.

Well my sig is a quote from a movie, which is also where my username comes from. People's gender doesn't affect my opinion on their tastes at all, my comment was one made in jest. The girls that were there however I don't value their opinion that much, but that's based on the music that they themselves like and create themselves - a bit wishy washy overall.

As someone stated - if you can't take criticism without getting your back up then perhaps you should stop performing live. Personally I found your stuff to be too samey-samey. One song was pretty indistinguishable from the other.

pinksoir

i dunno. my back never really went up at any stage. i'm certainly not gonna stop performing live. the fact that i keep getting given supports, especially for the acts that i really admire, is very encouraging. add to that the fact that people whos opinions i value (music critics, gig promoters, other accomplished musicians) are very impressed with my work this far, and i would see it as a good indicator that i am on the right track. most importantly i do love what i do and am genuinely excited about what will come. success or not.

it's nice and interesting to hear negative criticism too though. i am not so naive as to think that there won't be any people who don't like or understand my music. thats part and parcel of the job. up until now i have never heard any negative feedback, probably because most people who don't like something rarely tell you. also possibly because a lot of people did like it. one could only speculate. either way, in the future i should expect a lot of negative criticism and this particular thread should serve as a start to dealing with it!

i suppose nobody likes to hear bad things said about them, especially about something that they put so much time and love into. but thus is life.

Miguel_Sanchez

pinksoir wrote:

add to that the fact that people whos opinions i value (music critics, gig promoters, other accomplished musicians) are very impressed with my work this far, and i would see it as a good indicator that .

Fair enough - don't listen to music critics though, especially if they 'write' for Hotpress.

John

Hey don't paint all music critics with the hot press brush!

Andy-Pandy

I shall try to work through that list of your's John, alot there that i have never heard of. Thanks

pinksoir

believe me, i am well aware of hotpress 'writers'. but please don't tell them i said that...! i was thinking more foggy notions.

Howard the Duck

So pinky if indeed that is your real name..how about puttin some tunes on your myspace page so i can make up my mind about your music..if i'm mistaken and there is already some tunes there then please inform as to where it is.
Cheers

pinksoir

they should be there. unfortunately the file server i use is a bit crap/temperamental and goes down every now and again. they should be back up tomorrow. thanks for the interest though.

Frankiestylee

See... you should be careful of talking yourself up too much, not because you shouldn't have belief in what you do but because it makes you sound like your head is about to pop.

"the fact that i keep getting given supports" from what I hear on the aul grapevine it's more who you know then how you play, the suitablilty of some of your support slots being rather suspect.

Not to say that all your positive opinions have been fake, but bear in mind that in the music industry (especially in such a small circuit as the Irish one) everyone is trying to be nice to everyone else. Nobody wants to tell it like it is for fear of burning bridges... only when they feel they're on "dry-land" (to continue the metaphor) do most musicians tend to spout what they really feel. Again, not saying all the views expressed to you are fake, but just take everything with a grain of salt.

Personally the only good things I've heard about you came from some fellow Ballinteer dwellers, but then you cancelled a performance on the day of the gig and I won't tell ya what the other performers were told to call you if they saw ya heh heh.
But dude, keep rockin' what you're rockin. Obviously people dig your music and there's a big enough population out there for every competant musician to develop a following if they work hard enough. I like enough very differant bands to know this to be true, so rock it.

pinksoir

yeah that was the gig for ben. it was a real pain in the arse that i had to miss that because i am a good friend of his and really wanted to play, in fact i am indebted to him as he played with me during my first few gigs, but i was playing a gig in galway (i think, or limerick...) the day before and had to get a train back the day of the gig. i was knackered from playing gigs in different cities for the last three nights in a row, so i missed the first train. i still came to the gig, after dropping a few things home, albeit too late to play.

i'm not talking myself up. in fact i never have. i said "people who's opinions i value" and that means the people i know who are sincere. i'm well aware of how the system works. but there are a few promoters that i really admire for bringing in acts that aren't necessarily mainstream but i think are the best out there. people such as micah p. hinson, m ward, richard swift. and these promoters are enriching the music scene because of it.

furthermore, there are a good few people i know who have a far reaching and respectable taste in music who go to gigs because they like what they hear and miss gigs because they're just not into the music, whether they know the person or not. they know what they like and what they don't, and they make no exception if they know, or are freinds with, an act themselves. some write for magazines, some are gig goers, some are just people who listen to albums and recordings.

these are the people who's opinions i value.

obviously when you start out you take what gigs you can to get as much experience as possible, which explains the 'suspect' gigs. and i agree that some were suspect, but it doesn't hurt to test the water. now that we have played around a lot and tightened up the live thing we are getting given gigs on merit and suitability. it's not like i am out rubbing shoulders with promoters all the time. in fact i actively avoid that as i think its pathetic.

i'm glad that you recognise that the population is big enough to accommodate all different kinds of music. we are all out doing our own thing and its more important to concetrate on what you yourself are doing than to waste time complaining about other people's music. if you don't like it you don't have to listen to it! it's not like anyone is in competition with anyone else. unless you are a band that is trying to be the 'next whatever is big at the moment'!

cheers.

pinksoir

@howard the duck, the songs are back up on the page now.

cheers.

Garret

lol all over this thread

Frankiestylee

I always read lol as "lots of love" for some reason.

I just normally tend to find that musicians should consider themselves their own worst critics, helps to balance the mindset somewhat.

pinksoir

i completely agree. hence why i said "it's more important to concentrate on what you yourself are doing than to waste time complaining about other peoples music". i make music primarily for myself and am the toughest critic when it comes to which chord progression/lyric/melody/harmony/production should be used, and also whether a song should be worked on or dumped. after intense scrutiny you are hopefully left with a song that you love and are proud of.

however, if after a while you continue to play with a view to something more than a hobby, you have to begin to evaluate yourself. i have never met anyone who didn't believe in what they were doing and think that they were great, however misplaced this belief may have been. so you need to look to people who will criticise your music based on certain principles that you agree with. i was just saying that there are people who's opinions on music in general i hold in quite high regard (ie agree with what principles they judge 'good' music on), and that i find it encouraging that they are into what i do.