You have flopped trips - whats you play?

BigCityBanker

MTT SE Monday night - Blinds at 75/150. I am in the BB and have c.8k, SB has c.11k.

I check my option in the BB with J7o after SB completed and 3 other limpers.

Flop J J 9r

It checks around to player in late position who makes it 400 to go, SB repops it to 1500....

> you are next to act - whats your move and why?
> would you have bet out the flop?

aodea

i bet this flop for two reasons pot now contains enough to take it down there and then and you may have kicker issues so you want to find out if that is going to be a factor.

on a personal note you have jack7 the best hand in poker so you cant lose.

dacman

Betting out can be a good play here . Makes it look like u have a 9 and some guy may try and take it off you with a raise which i like to smooth call.

In terms of what did happen calling the re-raise from the small blind is probably the best idea. This may get the other guy to go away. Then check call the small blind to the river providing the other guy goes away. If late position guy doesent go away id get worried and consider a fold if the turn and river are not favourable.

Gholimoli

aodea wrote:

i bet this flop for two reasons pot now contains enough to take it down there and then and you may have kicker issues so you want to find out if that is going to be a factor.

on a personal note you have jack7 the best hand in poker so you cant lose.

both your reasons here for leading are bad.
even though leading IMO is the better play its certainly not for reason mentioned here.
first of all you have a very strong hand so pot building should come to mind not "pot already has enough so im happy to take it here".
so basically you should be looking to build the pot not end the hand.
the other reason you said kicker issues.
kicker should not be the first thing that comes to your mind in this situation.
there is only one othe J out there and even though its possible some 1 could have it ,its very small chance and you shouldnt concern your self with it and certainly not when you dont have a reason to.
i think you should lead here because it does more for hiding your hand than a check/raise or a check/call and lead on forth street.
if you lead most ppl think "he would never lead there with the J" and you will often get QQ,KK,AA to raise you which is what you want.

shoutman

Agree with Eshan here, It happens so rarely that someone has the same set as you with a higher kicker I think it's barely worth thinking about. However the check raise stinks of having a set especially when there has been a raise and rerasie before you.

ntlbell

shoutman wrote:

Agree with Eshan here, It happens so rarely that someone has the same set as you with a higher kicker I think it's barely worth thinking about. However the check raise stinks of having a set especially when there has been a raise and rerasie before you.

There hasn't been a raise and a re-raise.

Bet/Raise

It's very rare I don't lead out with trips/set

Any reads on the SB?

brianmc

ntlbell wrote:

There hasn't been a raise and a re-raise.

Bet/Raise

Also, see here for the correct usage of the term "set".

BigCityBanker

SB is a solid player who doesnt get out of line too easily. LP is just imo trying to take down the pot.

Are HJ & Fuzz in the house? I would be interested in their action in this hand?

ntlbell

brianmc wrote:

Also, see here for the correct usage of the term "set".

That's why I stated trips/set

Sometimes I'll flop trips and sometimes a set.

Now.

Off that pedantic box!

Hitman Actual

A flat call would be more worrying than the raise by the SB, imo. If he had a J with any sort of a decent kicker he's more likely to flat call. His raise of the LP player, who could just be taking a stab at it, opens up his range a lot more (a resteal of what looks like a steal attempt). I probably just flat call now, and try to make more money as the hand plays out.

I probably lead the flop though, as it really disguises your hand as Gholi says.

Killme00

Gholimoli wrote:

if you lead most ppl think "he would never lead there with the J" and you will often get QQ,KK,AA to raise you which is what you want.

And also the guy with A9...i would definitely bet the flop with this hand

How differently would you play this flop if you had AJ or KJ?

BigCityBanker

What hand do you put the LP better and SB on? There is also 1 guy to act behind - I fogot to mention that the button folded.

Goodluck2me

personally i would lead out here, but as played i raise again now. i often would raise a pot like the LP did here with hands like QT, to disguise my hand and maybe get another free card on the turn as im in position if the initial bettor only has a 9 he will liekly check, so as played i raise.

5starpool

Gholimoli wrote:

if you lead most ppl think "he would never lead there with the J" and you will often get QQ,KK,AA to raise you which is what you want.

Leading seems to be the new slow playing though :rolleyes: , and also, QQ/KK/AA should never be in this hand postflop with J7.

BigCityBanker

any more takers on this one?

cardshark202

If the SB is very tight I fold. If he's capable of making this move without a J I shove here and hope for the best.

BigCityBanker

FWIW I folded - I had 150 invested in the pot and wasnt goin broke for the sake of 150. SB had a solid table image - he did tell me later that he also had J7 - more often than not he has me outkicked here and I was happy to fold. I had some people saying they couldnt fold and would have pumped it up. Even in the knowledge that I would have split it I was happy with my fold.