Guinness Brewhouse Series-Fake Or Real

admiralofthefleet

what do you think?

were the recipies really discovered 'deep within st. james's gate' or were they developed by the profit chasing marketing department within diagio.

Blub2k4

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I'd imagine that they have a lot of recipes accumulated over the years.
I'd say real, but revived by marketing bods.

rubadub

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It is bull****, no doubt. The guinness draft we are drinking on tap in pubs now was only introduced in the 1959. The other "christmas pudding" "old mans" guinness, the proper extra stout has been around years.

All of these brewhouse series drinks have been blander versions of the already fairly bland recipie from 1959. Tastes absolutely nothing like the extra stout.

I was hoping for these drinks to have a huge difference. Seems it is a gimmick to get non guinness drinkers to give it a go. The blandness will make them think twice about guinness, since many think it is going to be harsh or something.

oblivious

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Also when Arthur first started brewing, he produce ales, the trend from England move towards porters and the Guinness we know arrive much later. If they were to produce a stout porter that were popular at the time they should be using black patent/brown malt, but they don’t. I seem it as more or marketing ploy that a real attempt to produce a porter of the times. Although some of then have not been to bad, but its unfortunate that there is an association that all stout taste like Guinness and this is simply not the case.

beardybrewer

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rubadub wrote:

All of these brewhouse series drinks have been blander versions of the already fairly bland recipie from 1959. Tastes absolutely nothing like the extra stout.

Couldn't agree more. I think Guinness is trying to tone down the flavor that's left to tempt back those lost to the lager nation.

Yellow Dog

I agree with all that has been said up to now.

Had my first few pints of "North Star" last week.

Tasteless is all I can say.

What is really hitting Guinness is off-sales.

I always drink Guinness when out, but when it comes to having a beer at home I always drink lager.

And the fact is that there is more people drinking at home now. It's not just the smoking ban but pure economics.

i have taken part in lots of Guinness surveys lately and what they all boil down to (brew down to) is "what do you drink at home?"

flogen

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Yellow Dog wrote:

I agree with all that has been said up to now.

Had my first few pints of "North Star" last week.

Tasteless is all I can say.

What is really hitting Guinness is off-sales.

I always drink Guinness when out, but when it comes to having a beer at home I always drink lager.

And the fact is that there is more people drinking at home now. It's not just the smoking ban but pure economics.

i have taken part in lots of Guinness surveys lately and what they all boil down to (brew down to) is "what do you drink at home?"

I'd be the same there; Guinness when out, wine when in a house/at home... funny enough the two drinks never cross paths (although I would drink wine with a meal when out, just never in a pub).

It's a big marketing ploy, no doubt about it. I've had the first 2 and have yet to have North Star, but they don't taste all that different... the first one was a bit weaker than the draught an the second was very hard to differenciate from the regular pub pint.

As for the original stout, I've drank it before, but haven't in ages, not since I started drinking Guinness regularly anyway... might try it again soon!

r3nu4l

Most likely a ploy although there is a possibility that ideas have been taken from old recipies and modified to work with the current draught stout.

As for the original extra stout and the draught pint from the pub, I like both. I only ever really drink the original stout at Christmas, so I'm looking forward to it this christmas. I usually bring in the bottle and put it near the radiator to warm it up a bit before pouring Bliss

At the 33rd CAMRA real ale festival in Cmabridge over the summer there were plenty of stouts on offer, some with very imaginitive flavouring, it would be nice if (Diageo) Guinness could follow this trend

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Blub2k4

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ok I added a new poll option and changed my original vote to be what I thought it was, should have done it at the start really, sorry.

bongo85

I don't think it's real. And even if it was, I don't think it would make paintings on the wall nod and wink at you like in the ad

Adeptus Titanicus

That depends on how much of the stuff you've been drinking

MagnumForce

Well they obviously wernt discovered behind an old wall, thats only an ad like! but they would have alot of recipes from when they were perfecting it, which is where they claim the recipes are coming from, so dont you feel good that to boost sales Guinness are giving us reject pints from 250 years ago?!

Ive tasted them all so far and the brewhouse Guinnesses, while different in taste and texture to the original Guinness Draught, are all the same as eachother! They sould make mint Guinness or chocolate Guinness or something, i'd drink that!

Degag

I think the next brewhouse series stout is a chocolate based one.... i may be wrong, but that's what i heard!

oblivious

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A chocolate stout would be different. It would be interesting to compare one of the world’s biggest breweries with one of the best chocolate stout around, Young’s!

bigears

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I hope this is true as it would be the first of the brewhouse series that is really different.

If it's anywhere near as good as Young's Chocolate Stout I would happily drink it.

noby

I wouldn't imagine it will be, or needs to be, half as rich though. Young's isn't the type of session pint that Guinness is. Just a hint of chocolate and it may just taste like Murphy's though.

brianthebard

oblivious wrote:

A chocolate stout would be different. It would be interesting to compare one of the world’s biggest breweries with one of the best chocolate stout around, Young’s!

Is youngs widely available? I don't think I've ever seen or heard of it.

dl

The 'Brewhouse Series' is basically a brand awareness campaign in light (shouldn't mention that word) of reduced sales accross Europe & the increase in the take home trade which has a much more diverse range than the pub & thus Guinness sales suffer!

They are however constantly producing different variations & flavours and always have done so but with the current decline in their market share they are forced to be innovative in an attempt to claim back some lost ground.

Tbh a Guinness drinker is not going to be impressed with someone 'messing around' with his pint... but then I don't think that the 'Brewhouse Series' is directed towards the dedicated 'Pint' man or woman!

The 'brand awareness campaign' seems to be working as its got you guys talking about it!!

noby

dl wrote:

The 'Brewhouse Series' is basically a brand awareness campaign in light (shouldn't mention that word) of reduced sales accross Europe & the increase in the take home trade which has a much more diverse range than the pub & thus Guinness sales suffer!

They are however constantly producing different variations & flavours and always have done so but with the current decline in their market share they are forced to be innovative in an attempt to claim back some lost ground.

Tbh a Guinness drinker is not going to be impressed with someone 'messing around' with his pint... but then I don't think that the 'Brewhouse Series' is directed towards the dedicated 'Pint' man or woman!

The 'brand awareness campaign' seems to be working as its got you guys talking about it!!

True, dl. But a lot of breweries do seasonal or special brews. Maybe this is something Guinness could have been doing all along. Never mind light, or Breo, or mid-strength. Why not release something like a special Christmas brew every year? I think people might appreciate that more than these one-off same-ish beers. I know I would.

bigears

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Is youngs widely available? I don't think I've ever seen or heard of it.

I haven't seen it on draught but you'll find the half litre bottle in a good off licence. It's called Young's Double Chocolate Stout. Noby is correct that it's a bit rich for a session beer but one or two bottles are a pleasure. Although it is chocolatey it's not too sweet. http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/youngs-double-chocolate-stout/139/

rubadub

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Tackle69 wrote:

I think the next brewhouse series stout is a chocolate based one.... i may be wrong, but that's what i heard!

Even if it is I bet there will be very little difference, hope it is though!

boneless

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When I first saw the adds for them I thought "Brewhouse? Sounds like they are ripping off Porterhouse!!"... even the font in the adds looks like the Porterhouse one...

Porterhouse stouts are good... especially the Four X...

dereko1969

yep the porterhouse wrasslers xxxx is a great stout and what guinness should be replicating in the brewhouse series, stout with flavour, i've tried all three and haven't been impressed. it's definitely a marketing ploy when it could have been a chance to create proper seasonal beers as already pointed out. has anyone tried fullers london porter? very nice beer. just wish the porterhouse would start selling bottled versions of wrasslers!

oblivious

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Did you get fullers London porter in Dublin?

brianthebard

Has anyone tried the northstar brew yet? I don't get out to the pub much these days, but the amount of avertising for the brewhouse series has piqued my interest, so if they eve make one sufficently different to normal guinness I might try it. Opinions?

admiralofthefleet

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had it once, its very bland, doesnt have any kick off it like regular guinness, with regards to the brewhouse series i would say that toucan has been my favourite so far

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brianthebard wrote:

Has anyone tried the northstar brew yet?

Here you go.:)

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055005920

pzurdo

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Northstar is easily the worst of these beers, and I really liked the comment elsewhere that it tasted like "drinking guinness while down with the flu"; this really sums it up. I'm actually amazed Guinnses put out something so poor, as whether people liked the other two brews or not, they were more than acceptable products, whereas Northstar is simply awful.

My own experience of the other two was that they were very variable depending on where the pint was had. During the Would Cup, on one evening I had several pints of Toucan in The Forge in Naas, and I consider them the best pints of draught beer I have had in Ireland in years. However a few days later, a Toucan elsewhere a very disappoiniting as had been my first Toucan in Mulligans in Poolbeg Street. As often with Guinness, it can depend where one is served the pint. The problem for Guinness with this is that punters will decide to try one of these new brews, get a bad one, and never try it again, and will inevitably tell his buddies, don't bother with that, its awful...

If we are looking at a chocolate stout next, then roll on with it, as it would mark something quite different than the slight variants we have had to date.
Cheers.