Alcohol and Martial Arts

47MartialMan

The consumption of alcoholic beverages has been around for ages. With such consumption, becoming superfluous, were cavorting mannerisms. And from these mannerisms, created such a fracas. It is from this chain reaction, that one may be in desideratum to study defense/fighting methods.

* Alcohol negatively effects performance 25 to 48 hours after the last drink.
* The reduction in quality of training and sleep in the period after its consumption, may cause a reduction in performance over the days following this period.
* Interferes with the loading of carbohydrates in muscles (muscle glycogen synthesis),
* Lengthens the recovery and rehabilitation from injury.
* The liver treats alcohol like a poison.
* Drinkers throw up to prevent death by alcohol toxicity
* Alcohol is a solvent that adversely affects every human cell except fat
* Alcohol is a depressant (blocks acetylcholine = decreased serotonin)
* Alcohol leads to decreased GABA, leading to anxiety and depression symptoms long after drinking

Moderate use (2-3 drinks)…
* Reduces motor coordination for up to 12 to 18 hours after drinking.
* Results in decreased aerobic capacity and negative impact on endurance for up to 48 hours after the last drink has been consumed.
* Can cut supplies of vitamins to below normal levels.
* The body excretes calcium at twice the normal rate.

This subject, for me, surfaced when I was in my early teens. In those years, the attitude or mindset was to do anything as full adults would. Drinking was one of those. However, years of training with one of my martial art instructors, I had discivered that he too, consumed alcohol. Though he was an adult, his consumption was far from moderate. I had discovered that he became an alcoholic.

With so many bad effects from alcohol consumption, should a martial arts practitioner or instructor partake in consumption?

47MartialMan

Further, does alcohol consumption instill a bad image for martial art practitioners and instructors?

mikeruurds

This guy's posts sound like bad 419 emails.

Are you by any chance related to George Dubya or possibly imbibing too much in the subject of your initial post?

Mike

paxo

47MartialMan wrote:

The consumption of alcoholic beverages has been around for ages. With such consumption, becoming superfluous, were cavorting mannerisms. And from these mannerisms, created such a fracas. It is from this chain reaction, that one may be in desideratum to study defense/fighting methods.

* Alcohol negatively effects performance 25 to 48 hours after the last drink.
* The reduction in quality of training and sleep in the period after its consumption, may cause a reduction in performance over the days following this period.
* Interferes with the loading of carbohydrates in muscles (muscle glycogen synthesis),
* Lengthens the recovery and rehabilitation from injury.
* The liver treats alcohol like a poison.
* Drinkers throw up to prevent death by alcohol toxicity
* Alcohol is a solvent that adversely affects every human cell except fat
* Alcohol is a depressant (blocks acetylcholine = decreased serotonin)
* Alcohol leads to decreased GABA, leading to anxiety and depression symptoms long after drinking

Moderate use (2-3 drinks)…
* Reduces motor coordination for up to 12 to 18 hours after drinking.
* Results in decreased aerobic capacity and negative impact on endurance for up to 48 hours after the last drink has been consumed.
* Can cut supplies of vitamins to below normal levels.
* The body excretes calcium at twice the normal rate.

This subject, for me, surfaced when I was in my early teens. In those years, the attitude or mindset was to do anything as full adults would. Drinking was one of those. However, years of training with one of my martial art instructors, I had discivered that he too, consumed alcohol. Though he was an adult, his consumption was far from moderate. I had discovered that he became an alcoholic.

With so many bad effects from alcohol consumption, should a martial arts practitioner or instructor partake in consumption?

Absolutely we should. 9-10 Stubbies and I am unbeatable, I morph into a cross between Mike Tyson and Tank Abbot with the social skills of a young Genghis Khan. This is followed by periods of higher conciousness when I can just feel the chi in the room
Ah beer the cause of and solution to all of lifes problems

Paxo

Millionaire

If your a hobby MA person, and you can handle a few beers/drinks once or twice a week, and walk away from alcohol. Go for it enjoy it. it is not going to effect things too much, aisde for an occassional slow start on a sunday morning.

If your a competitive fighter, you probably should not drink, except on rare occassion when your not training for an event. a few drinks would even be a good thing...enjoy yourself. with the hard training and discipline require an odd night out will do you good.

Some of us cannot or over time (as was my case) leave it as that and become heavy drinkers, and some of us then (me again) become Alcoholics. (I am recovering now, and do not drink since Sept 06). and I got out in time before it came very bad. thank God.

as for me I trained 3 or 4 times a week, all through the drinking and gave it 110%...towards the end my performance started to diminish in late 2005.

I agree with all the bad physicl and mental effects it causes. I have been through them all, and take it from me it is one hell on earth place to be. especially when you know your F**KED with a big problem, and you cannot stop.

Since I stopped my training has improved massively. My mind has improved. and my internal happiness has improved. I am a much better person in every way both physical and mental since i stopped, and they tell me if I keep working on it, it gets better and better! :-)

buck65

Good stuff Gerry, keep it up!!
I find myself as I get beyond 30 that my recovery from a hangover takes 2 days now and if I train hard even after 2 days I could pick up a flu or cold so weakened am I and also all my old injuries throb . Although unable (I feel) to give up drink completely I think martial arts and training has made me more conscious of my body/health - why train 4 times a week and then set yourself back?
At the moment if I'm on the town I try to come home after 4 pints or maybe 5 if its a good night, before it was 8/9 pints every Friday, ok after 4/5 I'm pissed now but even though I would take the following day off usually sunday I'd go out for a couple miles run - of course this is a conscious struggle as I know a few more would be great at the time - maybe I will have to give it up but you can't beat a few drinks after a long week of work and stress. Of course if I saw my instructor on the the lash I would lose alot of respect for him - bizarre

Baggio...

From a self-defense point of view they are not a great mix... So a general rule is don't get too pissed:D when you are out .

Will it stop me from drinking? - not really...;)

CerebralCortex

buck65 wrote:

......maybe I will have to give it up but you can't beat a few drinks after a long week of work and stress.......

Maybe it's not the drinking maybe it's your lifestyle.
Alcohol seems to be a less than positive drug imho.

Dragan

Point the first,

These seems to imply that the only reason you can see for study a martial art is self defence, or the offset the possibility of attack?

Point the Second,

47MartialMan wrote:

that one may be in desideratum to study defense/fighting methods.

This is used completely wrong mate, you should have said, "that one may find it desiderata to study defense/fighting methods".

As I have said previously, I don't care what words you use, but if you insist on using them incorrectly then I will continue to have problems reading your posts.

Millionaire

Its a little easier for me to stay off it over in Thailand, as its very hard with the Irish pub culture, especially if you have any weakness for the booze.

I really admire people who live in Ireland and give it a miss.

Me, I found if I was not out drinking with "friends" I d end up sitting home alone alot. as in if you were not on the piss, people consider you to be less fun or something stupid like that?

Still I cut down in Thailand, but never stopped totally, and it took a few near misses, to really make me consider my position, and go get some help to kick the habit.

Anyway good news is No Booze = better training = better everything!

Marty Mc

Fair play Gerry,

This post is not meant to offend any readers, just a point of view so -

Gerry your efforts should be commended and reconignised as the struggle to get away from the dreaded alchol is a nitemare. We all know people who have had alcholic tendancies and if we looked at our own family trees then im sure we would all find that every family is touched by it on both sides. Its a truely deadly disease that baffles many people and its not accepted by the ignorant as a disease - a mindset that needs to be changed.

I agree with your preception that in Ireland as people tend to drink at every oppurtunity due to the culture that the emerald isle portrays and the learned behaviour within a family coupled with personal issues and demons. This is a deadly cocktail which spirals out of control and the alcholic is born. Its even harder to admit that there is a problem for most guys and it isn't until one takes a step back that it can be fully reconignised. We have the age old adage that 'everyone enjoys a drink - sure u do it' but there is a big differance between some one who controls when they drink and some one that is controlled by drink.

Get stuck into ur training as u have made this ur focus giving it every thing and through a positive mindset u will succeed at every thing u endeviour.

Remember, you need to be selfish when recovering because if u want to stay on the road to recovery u are the thing that matters and dont forget to concentrate on urself and not outside influences who will try and take u off the path to getting well.

All The Best.

memphis

I gotta be honest here and say i love my beer and have little or no intention of giving it up long term. I don't claim to be a major drinker, or an alcoholic.... but i do tend to binge when i'm out. I will drink too much when out, and will get rather drunk, to the point where I remember very little about the night the next day. and i will also have a terrible hangover the next day etc.

All that said i will not drink during the week, only drink and weekends, and will never drink the weekend of a competition or tournament. i also must say that i have cut back on my drinking as of late and already see the difference in my training.

When I started doing TKD I often got the look of disapproval from my instructor on a saturday when i'd arrive into the dojang stinking of booze from the night before. now I no longer go out the night before training, as i now know there is nothing worst than training and being hungover. Its not worth it, besides it seriously effects performance and concentration.

I have no prblem giving it up for short periods but would probably die if i was to try give it up completely. I don't see the harm in going out on the tear the odd weekend night and getting blind drunk. I do believe though that there needs to be a fine line drawn between drinking and training. The two most certainly do not mix too well. You need to think about your intake of alcohol, and try avoid it around training and competition times. For example, I gave up the booze for a good 3 to 4 months before i went to Holland for the EU champs in 2004.

Millionaire

Thanks for the nice words Marty.

Again, this is not meant to offend anyone...

A few years back, I only drank on friday or saturday, no other times. was very disciplined, work came 1st, at one stage had 14 working for me, that depended on me to pay the wages. I also coud stop for up to 3 months if I had a kickboxing fight when I was training, or I could stop for a month or two to take a break.

Things is if you have alcoholic tendencies, if can creep up on you, and BANG...you on thin ice before you know it. I started with the odd back out here and there... like not remembering getting out of the taxi taking me home. Blackouts are a wee sign, something ain't right.

Also its progressive, and get worse as time goes on.

www.aa.org look at the 44 questions.

CerebralCortex

memphis wrote:

.....I don't see the harm in going out on the tear the odd weekend night and getting blind drunk...

There has to be less expensive and more enjoyable things to do than getting heavily drunk.
There's gotta be more to life.:D

Roper

Hey,
First of all, theres a balance to be found in life. If you like to train, and also like to have a few jars, then you have to find the time to do both or quit one without one effecting the other. Second, if you want to be a competitor, then theres no space for a drink in your 'on' season. I've had one glass of wine in the past two months (at my sis's birthday) because I'm competing. I actually felt a bit drunk afterwards, now theres a cheap night out! To be honest at the moment I feel hungover the morning after if I have something sugary before I go to bed, so there's no way I'd be able to train anywhere near my potential if I drank.

Just my thoughts. I'm not a big drinker really but a mans got to let of steam too!

Millionaire

I wish I could have a few pints and leave it at that...but I can't.

Thats funny you feel hung over after sugary things. I am on a fairly strict eating plan, steamed chicken and veg. no crap. and I am fairly on track. Ok on an odd sunday a blueberry muffin at starbucks!

But last week, I was watching a film and drank 3 cans of 7UP. (greedy ba*tard). Next morning I felt like I had 6 pint of guinness on an empty stomach. head was sore, no energy, completly bolloxed. never again!

I'm not giving up coffee...no fooking way!

Marty Mc

Any post provided by urs truely is not meant to judge any1 and their weekend tipples on 'the sauce' per say. Granted that some people love their beer but just a word of warning as Gerry has said that there is a fine line there which exists and quite often people overstep it unknowingly and cant get back to 'normality' and they are hooked.

Addictive personalities are easily seen wheather it be drink, drugs or gambling by others but quite often we are the last to see them. And when it is pointed out, most people fly off the handle and take offence and that is why it is left to the idividual to identify that they have a problem once they have had for example near death experiences, family break ups, lose their children due to excessive boozing or what ever form of tragedy occurs and once they have stopped blaming every one else it all becomes clear. Some seek help and others live in denial never off loading their baggage. My point is just be aware for those of u who are not in control of the drink and it controls u from time to time - be wary. Gerry is testiment to that and has turned it around.

Turn your personality to positive things like training give it your all, and a healthy mind and body will prevail. Just as gerry said, drinking is progressive but so is recovery, one day at a time.

Millionaire

Marty got it in one.

My cousin is a recovered alcoholic too, year or two younger than me. 5 years sober. he was a bad case too.

He reckons many people in Ireland are alcoholics and do not even know it. (thats called a Functioning Alcoholic).

After Americans, the next biggest nationality in AA in Thailand is Irish. Now consider this America fhas about 300 million people, (i think) we have 4 million approx. yet 40% of the people at the expat AA meetings are Irish.!!!! Think about them stats for a sec...

monkey tennis

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JohnMc1

I have a pint about once a week. Been less frequent as of late actually. I haven't had one in a few weeks. I enjoy a pint once in awhile. Its nice to relax after a long week.

Too much drink is bad for a person regardless of if they do martial arts or not. I never could understand how some people can work all week and then blow their paycheck in the bar over the weekend.

memphis

CerebralCortex wrote:

There has to be less expensive and more enjoyable things to do than getting heavily drunk.
There's gotta be more to life.:D

I totrally agree. But I might as well have some pleasure in life. I'm not a smoker, don't do drugs (recreational or otherwise), and don't gamble.

I like to have a few beers the odd weekend, love that whole social scene of meeting up with a few mates, having the craic, going to the night club, hitting on a few young ones and so on. Ok, so I may get rather drunk in the process... but isn't that what the majority of all single Irish males do each weekend at the age of say 18-30??

Doesn't mean I've a problem does it surely? I have no problem giving it up, in fact I haven't had any sort of alcoholic beverage in over 3 weeks. I don't long for a drink from one day to the next...!! I'm just an average single male living in Ireland that enjoys a lash once in awhile.

But I do agree that it can creep up on you, and fair play to you Gerry for kicking (pun intended) the habit.

Black Swan

OP...Your points in this thread are: (1) Don't drink; (2) If you do, don't drink to excess? Cause there are recent studies that suggest that a glass of red wine a day is healthy for adults.

47MartialMan

Millionaire wrote:

If your a hobby MA person, and you can handle a few beers/drinks once or twice a week, and walk away from alcohol. Go for it enjoy it. it is not going to effect things too much, aisde for an occassional slow start on a sunday morning.

If your a competitive fighter, you probably should not drink, except on rare occassion when your not training for an event. a few drinks would even be a good thing...enjoy yourself. with the hard training and discipline require an odd night out will do you good.

Some of us cannot or over time (as was my case) leave it as that and become heavy drinkers, and some of us then (me again) become Alcoholics. (I am recovering now, and do not drink since Sept 06). and I got out in time before it came very bad. thank God.

as for me I trained 3 or 4 times a week, all through the drinking and gave it 110%...towards the end my performance started to diminish in late 2005.

I agree with all the bad physicl and mental effects it causes. I have been through them all, and take it from me it is one hell on earth place to be. especially when you know your F**KED with a big problem, and you cannot stop.

Since I stopped my training has improved massively. My mind has improved. and my internal happiness has improved. I am a much better person in every way both physical and mental since i stopped, and they tell me if I keep working on it, it gets better and better! :-)

Thank you for your reply.

I cannot comprehend why there are those who desire to respond in such a inapropos manner.

How can intoxicants, rather liquid, inhalant, or other, being harmful to the body, be an acceptance for martial artists.

How would this appear to minors coming to participate.

47MartialMan

Marty Mc wrote:

Fair play Gerry,

This post is not meant to offend any readers, just a point of view so -

Gerry your efforts should be commended and reconignised as the struggle to get away from the dreaded alchol is a nitemare. We all know people who have had alcholic tendancies and if we looked at our own family trees then im sure we would all find that every family is touched by it on both sides. Its a truely deadly disease that baffles many people and its not accepted by the ignorant as a disease - a mindset that needs to be changed.

I agree with your preception that in Ireland as people tend to drink at every oppurtunity due to the culture that the emerald isle portrays and the learned behaviour within a family coupled with personal issues and demons. This is a deadly cocktail which spirals out of control and the alcholic is born. Its even harder to admit that there is a problem for most guys and it isn't until one takes a step back that it can be fully reconignised. We have the age old adage that 'everyone enjoys a drink - sure u do it' but there is a big differance between some one who controls when they drink and some one that is controlled by drink.

Get stuck into ur training as u have made this ur focus giving it every thing and through a positive mindset u will succeed at every thing u endeviour.

Remember, you need to be selfish when recovering because if u want to stay on the road to recovery u are the thing that matters and dont forget to concentrate on urself and not outside influences who will try and take u off the path to getting well.

All The Best.

Hear hear.

No matter the control, or out-of-control, is it such a bad thing for a martial artist who trains to "forge" themselves to be fight/defend ready?

47MartialMan

buck65 wrote:

Good stuff Gerry, keep it up!!
I find myself as I get beyond 30 that my recovery from a hangover takes 2 days now and if I train hard even after 2 days I could pick up a flu or cold so weakened am I and also all my old injuries throb . Although unable (I feel) to give up drink completely I think martial arts and training has made me more conscious of my body/health - why train 4 times a week and then set yourself back?
At the moment if I'm on the town I try to come home after 4 pints or maybe 5 if its a good night, before it was 8/9 pints every Friday, ok after 4/5 I'm pissed now but even though I would take the following day off usually sunday I'd go out for a couple miles run - of course this is a conscious struggle as I know a few more would be great at the time - maybe I will have to give it up but you can't beat a few drinks after a long week of work and stress. Of course if I saw my instructor on the the lash I would lose alot of respect for him - bizarre

SEE! This is one of the reasons for this thread.

This is not to bash anyone, but to examine the subject.

47MartialMan

Dragan wrote:

Point the first,

These seems to imply that the only reason you can see for study a martial art is self defence, or the offset the possibility of attack?

Point the Second,



This is used completely wrong mate, you should have said, "that one may find it desiderata to study defense/fighting methods".

As I have said previously, I don't care what words you use, but if you insist on using them incorrectly then I will continue to have problems reading your posts.

Please, go ahead an correct me anytime co-mate

47MartialMan

memphis wrote:

I gotta be honest here and say i love my beer and have little or no intention of giving it up long term. I don't claim to be a major drinker, or an alcoholic.... but i do tend to binge when i'm out. I will drink too much when out, and will get rather drunk, to the point where I remember very little about the night the next day. and i will also have a terrible hangover the next day etc.

All that said i will not drink during the week, only drink and weekends, and will never drink the weekend of a competition or tournament. i also must say that i have cut back on my drinking as of late and already see the difference in my training.

When I started doing TKD I often got the look of disapproval from my instructor on a saturday when i'd arrive into the dojang stinking of booze from the night before. now I no longer go out the night before training, as i now know there is nothing worst than training and being hungover. Its not worth it, besides it seriously effects performance and concentration.

I have no prblem giving it up for short periods but would probably die if i was to try give it up completely. I don't see the harm in going out on the tear the odd weekend night and getting blind drunk. I do believe though that there needs to be a fine line drawn between drinking and training. The two most certainly do not mix too well. You need to think about your intake of alcohol, and try avoid it around training and competition times. For example, I gave up the booze for a good 3 to 4 months before i went to Holland for the EU champs in 2004.

Nice reply. Have you consulted a physician about the long term? What will happen to your abilities, on present course, say 30 years from now?

Also, what about image?

47MartialMan

CerebralCortex wrote:

There has to be less expensive and more enjoyable things to do than getting heavily drunk.
There's gotta be more to life.:D

Like being a dedicated martial artist with a righteous overtone to not put anything in their body harmful or wrongful to the image of martial arts?

47MartialMan

monkey tennis wrote:

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Thanks for your bantering remarks.

Your response was most useful

47MartialMan

memphis wrote:

I totrally agree. But I might as well have some pleasure in life. I'm not a smoker, don't do drugs (recreational or otherwise), and don't gamble.

I like to have a few beers the odd weekend, love that whole social scene of meeting up with a few mates, having the craic, going to the night club, hitting on a few young ones and so on. Ok, so I may get rather drunk in the process... but isn't that what the majority of all single Irish males do each weekend at the age of say 18-30??

Doesn't mean I've a problem does it surely? I have no problem giving it up, in fact I haven't had any sort of alcoholic beverage in over 3 weeks. I don't long for a drink from one day to the next...!! I'm just an average single male living in Ireland that enjoys a lash once in awhile.

But I do agree that it can creep up on you, and fair play to you Gerry for kicking (pun intended) the habit.

However, if there were others, say juveniles that know you, what image are you setting drinking and being a martial artist?

Karl Hungus

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47MartialMan

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

OP...Your points in this thread are: (1) Don't drink; (2) If you do, don't drink to excess? Cause there are recent studies that suggest that a glass of red wine a day is healthy for adults.

Long Term Cons
Alcohol is a highly addictive substance and is the most abused drug in the United States. Prolonged consumption can lead to cellular changes in the liver, heart, brain, and muscles and result in cirrhosis, pancreatitis, irregular heart beats, stroke, and malnutrition. Even moderate drinkers have a higher risk of oral cancer, and women who drink may have a higher risk of breast cancer. Alcohol is associated with adverse effects on safety and performance. If you happen to miss that crux and overdo it in the long term, you are risking cirrhosis, fatty deposits in your liver, impotence, shrunken testes, and gynecomastia (aka male breast enlargement or man-boobs). If that doesn't scare you into drinking responsibly, nothing will.


Moderate Pros
Alcohol in moderation has health benefits. Red wine, for example, contains health-protective phytochemicals that may reduce the risk of heart disease. Wine may explain why the people in France, who have been eating a high fat diet for years, enjoy better heart-health than might be expected. Red wine is also a good source of dietary iron, a mineral that helps prevent anemia. Beer has a few nutritional merits, such as a significant amount of B-12, a vitamin important for vegetarians.

By now, most of us who enjoy the occasional drink have heard of the benefits alcohol has on our health. Over time, and in small quantities, alcohol can raise our HDL levels. HDL is our "good cholesterol" and it essentially cleans up the damage done to our arteries by "bad cholesterol". Beer and wine also contain phytochemicals that have numerous health benefits, many of which we probably haven't even discovered yet.

There was an important point about the benefits of alcohol that you cannot afford to miss, however, and that is the idea of "small quantities."

memphis

Karl Hungus wrote:

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My sentiment exactly... whats with all the posts martial man? does it really matter how many posts yo have on your count... and please, please, please, for teh love of god, will you use proper english that a normal joe soap like myself can read and understand.

Your reply to my post is complete and utter double dutch to me. i don't follow a word of it. why would I see a physician or whatever, and why should i look at the long term? Are you suggestng that i may have a problem? if so, then please refer to my last post before this, the post I put up after the one you reeplied to above.

memphis

47MartialMan wrote:

However, if there were others, say juveniles that know you, what image are you setting drinking and being a martial artist?

just to add, youngsters or juviniles as you fancily call em aren't gonna be out about in the pubs when I am out drinking now are they? And as for image... i'm not a f*cking celebrity so i really couldn't give a fiddlers fart about what other see or think of me to be frank.

gymrabbit

In Martialidiot's defense, he's obviously using the quote function to reply to comments individually. I'm not sure if he understands the etiquette of message forums.

Dyr

Karl Hungus wrote:

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jesus wept have you not enough forums to be overlording without post whoring in here? get outta here ya hippy

47MartialMan

memphis wrote:

My sentiment exactly... whats with all the posts martial man? does it really matter how many posts yo have on your count... and please, please, please, for teh love of god, will you use proper english that a normal joe soap like myself can read and understand.

Your reply to my post is complete and utter double dutch to me. i don't follow a word of it. why would I see a physician or whatever, and why should i look at the long term? Are you suggestng that i may have a problem? if so, then please refer to my last post before this, the post I put up after the one you reeplied to above.

I am not concerned with post count. I was merely replying to those whom had posted

47MartialMan

memphis wrote:

just to add, youngsters or juviniles as you fancily call em aren't gonna be out about in the pubs when I am out drinking now are they? And as for image... i'm not a f*cking celebrity so i really couldn't give a fiddlers fart about what other see or think of me to be frank.

But they may know someone that know or seen you.

Then again, some people lack morals.

47MartialMan

gymrabbit wrote:

In Martialidiot's defense, he's obviously using the quote function to reply to comments individually. I'm not sure if he understands the etiquette of message forums.

So, we are resulting to name calling.

How mature.

How "martial art discipline"

47MartialMan

Bambi wrote:

jesus wept have you not enough forums to be overlording without post whoring in here? get outta here ya hippy

How did you know I WAS a hippy?

memphis

Please tell me I'm not alone folks when I say that this martial man is getting on my wick. He posts absolute drivel, and posts 10 and more posts in a row just to "reply" to others. None of his posts are even mildly understandable, yet he expects to be taken seriously? Come on!!

***Hits ignore button in frustration!!***