Nero Burning ROM 6

Soarer

Hi guys.
Up until yesterday, I've been happily using Nero to burn my DVD's. I've a DVD Rom (D:\), and a DVD/RW (E:\), and I've always been able to disc copy from to E:. However, trying to copy a DVD today, Nero is seeing my as Image Recorder, and when I try to copy, it asks me to save a .nrg? file to the HDD.
There was something that popped up yesterday about "Turn off auto-notification" or something, and I don't know if I clicked yes or no or what!

Is there an easy way out of this?
Cheers.

subway

at the top of nereo there should be a drop down that says image recorder at the moment.
click on the drop down and you should see your other drives.

Soarer

Cheers Subway.
However, I've already done that, and all it gives me is "Image Recorder" as one option, and e: as the second option.
It's as if my d: is no longer recognised by it.
I've attached an image of what comes up when I click "choose recorder".

subway

oh.
does the drive show up in "my computer" as a installed and working?

Soarer

Yeah.
Everything outside of Nero recognises what it is. It's only Nero that's changed.
Could it have anything to do with that auto-notification thing?

subway

do you mean windows auto loadplay when you put in a blank disc?
that wouldnt affect it

im not sure if theres any other auto-notication thing,
other than the "windows is hiding your unused icons" that appears at the task bar every now and then

Soarer

Can't really remember the exact wording of it. I seem to remember that when I checked/unchecked the "disable" box, it said "changes will not come into effect until you restart your machine", or something like that.

Stupid bloody computers!!

Redisle

have you tried reinstalling nero??
if your drive is showing up everywhere else it should be there too...
By the way the image recorder is a thing that makes an iimage of a disc, like taking a picture say it makes a 1:1 copy that you save to your computer to burn later or mount on a virtual drive.

subway

hmmm,
theres no setting i can find in nero that would do that.

the only thing i can think is that windows sees your dvd burnner as a normal cd/dvd reader.

try putting a blank disc into and see if you can access it via "my computer"
windows should tell you theres a blank disc in the drive

if windows says theres no disc in the drive your dvd drive may be acting up

aidan_walsh

Ah yeah, user changes a setting without reading it and suddenly its all the computers fault when something goes wrong Lesson to be learned there...

Are you sure you're copying in "on the fly" mode?

Soarer

Hi again guys.
Just to let ye know I fgured out the problem.
Turns out is was an easy a case of just selecting my e: from the "choose recorder" dropdown menu. My d: isn't a recorder, so it could hardly have been listed under recorders!:o

And now tht I have ye're attention.....
my recorder doesn't seem to be recording as quick as what it should be. This has been going on since I got it, and has nothing to do with the shenannigans the last day!
It's an LG GSA-4167B 16x DL recorder. If I do a DVD copy from d: to e:, even using 16x discs, it takes the guts of 50 minutes:eek: , even though when it's starts, Bero say "remaining time 8 mins", or something similar.
Even while ago, I burned 3gb of data onto a 16x dvd, and it took over half an hour.
Any ideas?

8T8

A few ideas;
* DMA isn't enabled.
* Firmware of DVD writer doesn't support your media very well.
* Media is of poor quality.
* DVD writer is dying.

Solutions;
* Check DMA is enabled drives properties in the device manager or use Nero InfoTool to confirm it is enabled.
* Update the firmware (latest is D13**).
* Change your media.


** Go here click on device driver than select DVD-ROM (writer) then go to page 2 the D13 firmware is fourth from the top (LG don't allow direct linking).

Soarer

Thanks 8T8.
A few things though.
I already have D13 installed.
All media is slow, cd-r, dvd-r, etc.
I checked Nero Infotool, and the only drive with DMD on is the HDD. Neither disc drive has.
Checked properties in device manager, and I can't find anywhere where is allows me to enable dma.
In Infotool, if I go to ASPI, system ASPI, it says ASPI Installation Corrupted. But if I change to Nero ASPI, it says it's installed and working correctly.

8T8

Apologies my mistake I should have said the IDE controller properties not the drive is where it will say if the drive is running in DMA mode.

In Nero InfoTool select your LG drive click on the configuration tab and it will tell you if DMA is enabled on the device. Like in the screenshot below.



If it isn't un-install the IDE controller the drive is attached to in the device manager and reboot the machine Windows will re-install the driver and should enable Ultra DMA mode (or attempt to enable DMA mode in the driver properties though this doesn't always work sometimes).

Soarer

Nice one.
I've followed your instructions, and have gotten my d: to have DMA enabled. Unfortunately, my e: (DVD recorder) still doesn't. When I check the properties, I have DMA where possible selected, but the mode show is PIO.

Now, I've had a look inside the machine. My DVD ROM (D:\) has the master connection, and is connected at the end of the IDE cable, and my DVD/RW (E:\) has the slave setting, and is in position 2 on the IDE cable.

Genuinely haven't a notion of where to go from here.

8T8

PIO mode is why it is taking so long to burn.

Normally when it it refuses to budge from PIO mode what you must do is uninstall the IDE controller the DVDRW drive is attached to in the device manager did you do that already ?

If not go into the device manager under IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers and remove the secondary channel that the LG drive is plugged into it. Reboot the machine and when Windows re-detects the hardware it should fingers crossed be in DMA mode.

Soarer

Already tried that I'm afraid 8T8.
My hdd is the only thing connected to the primary IDE, and both my DVD ROM and DVDRW are on the secondary IDE.:(

8T8

Try unplugging the drive from the IDE cable that is unaffected so the drive in PIO mode is the only one running.

Or swap the position of the master/slave on the drives so Windows re-installs the drivers for each drive.

Soarer

Thanks again.
Here's the current state of play.
Changed jumpers around from master to slave, and vice vera. There wasn't enough play on the IDE to change that too, so left it as it was. This turned DMA off on both drives!
So opened it up again, left the jumpers where they were, but removed the IDE from the new slave, and put it into the master, thus disconnecting the original d:\.
Just finished burning a 16x disc there and it took....10mins 40secs!!:D Thanks be to fukk!!

Still dunno what I'm gonna do about the \ though. Maybe a longer IDE cable, and connect it using the second connector?
Probably doesn't really matter though, does it? I mean, if I was to do a disc copy from e:\ to e:\, it'll read at 10x anyway, yeah? That shouldn't add too much onto the total time, should it? Actually , it'll close on double it, won't it? Or would disc copy from d:\ to e:\ be faster if both were on dma?

8T8

Okay getting a little lost there myself with that last post

If I interpreted it correctly you removed the DVD-ROM from the IDE cable and the LG DVDRW then enabled DMA mode.

10 mins isn't exactly ideal for 16x burning at that speed it should be 6mins 30sec roughly I guess your writer may be slowing down based on the quality of the disc (some of them do that).

Perhaps the simplest thing to do is get another IDE cable and have the DVD-ROM on the other IDE channel. It's odd because they should both be playing ball with each other (your DVD-ROM isn't Pioneer based by any chance).

mathias

I thought that on the fly recording is best ( fastest that is ! ) done if both drives are on separate IDE channels.

You say you have ( or had ! ) both on the same IDE channel , for on the fly recording this is always going to be slower ! Is this not the case ?

Burning an image to disc from the hard drive should be quite fast though.

8T8

On the fly recording should have no difference if both drives are in UDMA mode on the same channel.

On the fly recording is never the optimal way anyway as you can run into all sorts of problems with the read speed and quality of the source disc.

Soarer

8T8 wrote:

Okay getting a little lost there myself with that last post

If I interpreted it correctly you removed the DVD-ROM from the IDE cable and the LG DVDRW then enabled DMA mode.

10 mins isn't exactly ideal for 16x burning at that speed it should be 6mins 30sec roughly I guess your writer may be slowing down based on the quality of the disc (some of them do that).

Perhaps the simplest thing to do is get another IDE cable and have the DVD-ROM on the other IDE channel. It's odd because they should both be playing ball with each other (your DVD-ROM isn't Pioneer based by any chance).

Jesus, it's simple enough!!;)

I'll go through this in present tense.

Obviously the IDE cable connects to the motherboard at one end. At the other end, there's 2 connections. One at the tip of the cable, one about 3" up the cable.
The end connection is in the ROM drive (master), and the other connection is in my RAM (slave)drive. This gives me DMA on the ROM, and PIO on the RAM.

I change master and slave, so now my ROM is slave and my RAM is master, but leave the IDE cable where it is. I reinstall everything, and now I have PIO on both drives.

I try change the IDE connections so I can put the end connection into the RAM(master) and the second connection into the ROM(slave), but there's not enough space between the connection to do this. So I can't try this option.

Final option is to disconnect the ROM(slave), and just attach the RAM(master) to the end connection of the IDE. This finally gives me DMA on my RAM drive, but obviously I now only have one drive working.

So out of all possible connection scenarios, I haven't been able to get DMA running on both drives, but I still have one option available to me ie. get another IDE cable, and connect RAM to the end and ROM to the second. I'd like to think that that'll solve my problem.:o

But, if it doesn't, and I end up with PIO on the ROM drive and DMA on the RAM drive, will this allow me proper "on the fly" copying? Since the ROM is read-only, does PIO still slow it down?

8T8

Just so you know depending on your motherboard you very likely will have two IDE controllers which allow two devices per chain (the two connections on the IDE cable). Only the most very recent of motherboards ship with only one IDE controller.

If you get another IDE cable plug the DVD-ROM into the second IDE controller that should leave both drives isolated from each other and running in DMA mode.

PIO mode will slow down the DVD-ROM drive but like I said on the fly recording is not recommended for anything other than CD's.

There is an outside chance a firmware update to the DVD-ROM could perhaps solve this conflict, using Nero Info Tool what is the model number of the DVD-ROM drive ?