MTT AK hand

sikes

MTT 400/800 11 remain, 5 get paid average ~22k

Villain in hand is uber tight, have only been at the table for 3 orbits, had to lay down QQ to his KK preflop, luckily someone else got involved too which helped the lay down.

I have seen him limp in LP with AQo.

BB in hand is very short stacked maybe 3xBB.

I have just doubled up to about average and will prob seem loose to villain. I cover villain only slightly.

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Action: Folded to Villain in MP who calls.

Folded to me and I look down at AK in the SB, and i complete the BB.

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Anyway BB checks and flop comes out AJxr. Checked to viallin who bets, I call and BB folds. Turn is a blank. Villain bets leaving about 12k behind. pot is ~10k.

I know he has an A here, and am scared of AJ, i dont think he is limping with Arag or JJ, obv a raggy set is a possibility. How should i proceed?

(I may have the stack sizes or blinds slightly wrong but you get the general idea.)

bops

everytime you limp/check/call you are leaving yourself wide open...
if in doublt - raise!!

Option 1: raise x2 his bet - does this have you committed??
Option 2: Check/call it down if you think you may be in trouble

Ollieboy

Your read was correct, he had you down as been aggressive and trying to steal like mad shorthand, so he never had you on AK here, I would have also been afraid of AJ and I know this player will limp with a lot of big hands, but you have top pair and top kciker here and with the game been at the critical stage and shorthand, you need the chips, ship it.

Samba

I presume you are playing 5/6 handed. This is no time to complete from the SB 9 handed in the early stages of a tourney might be a time to complete with AKo in the sb, however you are short handed with approx. 25 bb's, make them pay to see a flop.

Even if he is uber tight he might be limping with a pp and if you want more information where you stand in the hand, you have to raise.

Ak 5/6 handed is a monster and this is a time to start and trying to accumulate more chips.

As played, I agree with Ollie, all you can eat.

sikes

Samba wrote:

I presume you are playing 5/6 handed. This is no time to complete from the SB 9 handed in the early stages of a tourney might be a time to complete with AKo in the sb, however you are short handed with approx. 25 bb's, make them pay to see a flop.

Even if he is uber tight he might be limping with a pp and if you want more information where you stand in the hand, you have to raise.

Ak 5/6 handed is a monster and this is a time to start and trying to accumulate more chips.

As played, I agree with Ollie, all you can eat.

This guy is UBER tight, i mean UBER. A limp from him is the equivalent to a raise from a tight player. If a tight player was to raise and i can't commit him preflop with AK, then I *prob* take the same line here. I am under repping the strength of my hand. I was going to bet most flops without the A anyway, although the SB confuses things.

AK is a monster and to accumlate chips against this oppoent i think completing here is better.

Samba

sikes wrote:

This guy is UBER tight, i mean UBER. A limp from him is the equivalent to a raise from a tight player. If a tight player was to raise and i can't commit him preflop with AK, then I *prob* take the same line here. I am under repping the strength of my hand. I was going to bet most flops without the A anyway, although the SB confuses things.

AK is a monster and to accumlate chips against this oppoent i think completing here is better.

i'm confused, you think he has a monster, yet you are betting most flops?

If he is uber tight and he has a premium pair, you wil know all about it if you put in a raise, as it stands, imo you have left yourself in no mans land, if he's betting, he has somthing big no? in which case this should be an easy fold no?

Is he capable of exploiting his image? What's your stack size btw?

Hectorjelly

If you want to complete preflop then there is only one post flop line to take; chk raise all in on the flop

sikes

Samba wrote:

i'm confused, you think he has a monster, yet you are betting most flops?

If he is uber tight and he has a premium pair, you wil know all about it if you put in a raise, as it stands, imo you have left yourself in no mans land, if he's betting, he has somthing big no? in which case this should be an easy fold no?

Is he capable of exploiting his image? What's your stack size btw?

i dont say he has a monster but strong Aces dominate he range imo, esp after the flop bet.

Obvioulsy i can have anything and all flops hit anything, hense why I am betting them.

When he bets i know he has something of the board, AA and JJ i think he is checking as he is a trapper. So i think that KK, QQ A10+.

The bet on the turn leaves me in no doubt he has an A, now i am worried about AJ as i think he range has shrunk to a strong A or a set.

if i raise preflop and he pushes, I fold, no questions.

my stack ~22k

califano

sikes wrote:

if i raise preflop and he pushes, I fold, no questions.

I would call no questions.
By your recent posts i think your making too many big laydowns.

Ollieboy

sikes wrote:

AK is a monster and to accumlate chips against this oppoent i think completing here is better.

now your read is totally wrong and this would be a really bad play as he would check raise you allin with any pair above the board and sometimes less, he loves to trap on the flop and would have no problems with limping with KK here and checking to you on the flop, with your table image, he know's your going to bet any flop and the limp on the button is a signal of this intent.

If you want to accumulate chips here, raising preflop is the better option to find out his hand strenght, AK is only a good hand preflop and if you miss the flop, you can only be beaten by a better hand. With you table image, a raise would have not been out of character, but limping was, but I still put you on a lot less than AK.

Also, he's not as tight as you think he his.....

sikes

Hectorjelly wrote:

If you want to complete preflop then there is only one post flop line to take; chk raise all in on the flop

At the time, i thought i had played the hand well, but afterwards, i started to think this would have been the best line given my image.

What do you think about just completeing with AK here, btw it was offsuit

El Stuntman

Mutbs

sikes

Ollieboy wrote:

now your read is totally wrong and this would be a really bad play as he would check raise you allin with any pair above the board and sometimes less, he loves to trap on the flop and would have no problems with limping with KK here and checking to you on the flop, with your table image, he know's your going to bet any flop and the limp on the button is a signal of this intent.

I know he would check raise the flop but i think strong aces dominate his range, thats why i would bet a raggy flop, most of the time. I dont think completing here from the SB should raise any suspicions.

Ollieboy wrote:

If you want to accumulate chips here, raising preflop is the better option to find out his hand strenght, AK is only a good hand preflop and if you miss the flop, you can only be beaten by a better hand. With you table image, a raise would have not been out of character, but limping was, but I still put you on a lot less than AK.

Also, he's not as tight as you think he his.....

Ok i might be over exaggerating his tightness, however i had seen him limp with KK, and AQ.

If i raise and he pushes what should i do?

sikes

El Stuntman wrote:

Mutbs

im not up with the lingo these days, what MUTBS

cardshark202

So his limping range preflop contains a lot of big aces, and your hand crushes his range, and you don't raise preflop? What do you think he does if you raise from the SB here. I think the best flop line is the one HJ gave.
EDIT: If you raise and he pushes you call

LuckyLloyd

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cardshark202

sikes wrote:

im not up with the lingo these days, what MUTBS

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ocallagh

I know this villian, and I think if he had AJ he would check that flop. He loves to trap. I think he has AQ/AT more often here than AJ and is protecting his 1 pair. I would probably either chack raise flop or check raise all in on the turn.

He's a tricky player in these situations, but he is used to trapping below standard players who play back with average hands. Lot of people make moves on him with the likes of QJ here and he catches them with hands as low as AT. Your hand is just too strong, and too well hidden to slow down here.

BigCityBanker

who is the villian?

fuzzbox

Why does every1 want to CRAI on the flop?

Hectorjelly

fuzzbox wrote:

Why does every1 want to CRAI on the flop?

You get a bet out of a player with nothing a lot of the time, doesnt give any free cards (2 broadway cards on board) and a high ace is going away anywhere. A tight player probably wont bet the turn unless he has us beaten. Against a stupid or over aggro player flat calling the flop with the intention of crai on the turn would be ok, but this often means they get a free card.

Bandana boy

I am little confused
What is villains range it seems to be changing from street to street

Raise pre flop
Check call him down is not completely horrible
raising the flop is not horrible

ocallagh

fuzzbox wrote:

Why does every1 want to CRAI on the flop?

because the stacks are small enough!

ollyk1

Who is the villain?




Btw Sikes you were lucky you got moved as BigD had you in his pocket!!!

Ollieboy

I think if you had raise preflop, he would have fold and if your raise was to small, you would still need to hit the flop to take the pot. The key here is your hand been disguised, but this will only work if you hit and he gets a big part of the flop, so your putting him also on a Ace with a good kicker and your hoping for a Ace on the flop, thats a risky play.

Once the flop came down Ace high and he bet, I would have put him allin, if you raise all-in before the flop, he would have need AQ or 1010 to call at best.

I think you played the hand correctly, I would have rather the raise preflop, but you were trying to trap a very tricky player, once the flop came down Ace high, you were going to try stacking him and the only thing that confused the issue was his aggression, which indicated 2 pair. But you were never going to fold AK at that stage.

sikes

i didnt raise preflop because i dont think i could call a push and wasnt too interested in a race at this point also the BB being so short confuses things.

I think villains range does change from street to street, and am very sure that he has an A on the turn, he is slowing down with KK, QQ imo. As ocallgh says, he is prob trapping with 2 pair+.

The reason i thought that pushing the flop might have been better afterwards, was not due to the fact there were two broadway cards there, if i am willing to let Ax draw to 3 cards, i am willing to let a gutshot draw to 4, but because perhaps a cold call from me here would arouse suspicions.

Anyway, i pushed the turn and he called with A10, and i took it down. I am still unsure about pushing the flop or the turn....

Ollyk1, i dont know what happened there, i lost my mojo when i was in a pot with him! I cant remember the hands though, all i know is that i lost a chunk of my stack, it was all a haze!

I have seen Villain in a few games around town, i am sure someone knows his name.

Samba

Ollieboy wrote:

I think you played the hand correctly, I would have rather the raise preflop, but you were trying to trap a very tricky player, once the flop came down Ace high, you were going to try stacking him and the only thing that confused the issue was his aggression, which indicated 2 pair. But you were never going to fold AK at that stage.

I think he flat called because of the uber tight players EP limp.

sikes

cardshark202 wrote:

So his limping range preflop contains a lot of big aces, and your hand crushes his range, and you don't raise preflop? What do you think he does if you raise from the SB here. I think the best flop line is the one HJ gave.
EDIT: If you raise and he pushes you call

if i raise, and he pushes, his range crushes me, so i fold.

if i raise and he calls, his range doesnt change, imo, and i have created a bigger pot that is costing me more to bluff at on the flop.

I know i suck at explaining my thinking, but if i wait until the flop to put my *raise* in ie bet out a raggy flop, i think its better because its costing me less and if he has an overpair the same result as preflop will happen, and i will slow down knowing im prob beat, but the value is when i hit an A and he has a strong A i get paid off, by letting him be the aggressor in the hand

If the flop came Kxx i would prob bet out as i think i would get paid by QQ, JJ 1010.

sikes

Samba wrote:

I think he flat called because of the uber tight players EP limp.

i flat called the flop because i think i am miles ahead most of the time.

Samba

AA and JJ i think he is checking as he is a trapper. So i think that KK, QQ A10+.

That's a pretty strong range only of which A10+ you are ahead of which is hard to put him on considering your impression of his image which is the rock, you are trapping him with AK if you think KK is in his hand range, hmmz, if QQ is there, you don't get paid on an A high flop not from a rock.

Somewhat contradictive.

sikes

Samba wrote:

That's a pretty strong range only of which A10+ you are ahead of which is hard to put him on considering your impression of his image which is the rock, you are trapping him with AK if you think KK is in his hand range, hmmz, if QQ is there, you don't get paid on an A high flop not from a rock.

Somewhat contradictive.

Im trapping once i have hit the A. I rule out AA, JJ as he traps with this on the flop most of the time.

The way i have played it, i think he is betting out here with QQ on this board considering i have not raised, if i raise he wont. I dont see the contradiction. if he has QQ/KK he wont bet the turn.

Jaden

Because it's fun? I'd do it in this spot.