Armageddon VII Results

mushykeogh

Armageddon Results

Santiago Blasco (Bridgestone Gym) L pts v Taidgh Lane (Cork Thai)

Ray Lakes (Bridgestone Gym) L pts v Sean Keane (Cork Thai)

John Bracken (Warriors) L pts v Charlie O’ Brien (Cork Thai)

Darran Lo (Bridgestone Gym)W pts v Ron Leslie (Lumpini Gym, England)
Jason Fyndlay (Bridgestone Gym) W pts v Paul Farrell (Warriors Gym)

INTERNATIONAL BOUT
Dave McGarrity (Bridgestone Gym) L pts v Kyle Nichols (Glasgow Thai, Scotland)

ANGLO IRISH BANTAMWEIGHT TITLE
Eoghan Murphy (Bridgestone Gym) L (retired injury) v Liam Racktoo (Nongkee Pahuyuth,

Patrisha Goggin (Bridgestone Gym) W pts v Ruth Ashdown (Lumpini Gym,

Andy O’ Connor (Warriors Gym) Draw v Cian Ruane (Cork Thai)

Stephen MeLeady (Bridgestone Gym) W pts v Dee Cosgrove (Sheran Thai,

Mike Dockery (Warriors Gym) L pts v Alan Sawyer (Lumpini Gym, England)

PRESTIGE INTERNATIONAL BOUT
Rob Doyle (Bridgestone Gym) W rsf (cuts) v Danny Taylor (Lumpini Gym, England)

Valmont

What happened to Eoghan Murphy? I thought he was doing quite well up until the stoppage.

I'm no expert on how thai fights are judged but I really thought Mike Dockery won his fight 3 rounds to 2.

Seemed like a good night for Cork Muay thai!

I enjoyed the event even though I was in bits standing for 4 and a half hours in30degree heat!:eek:

Thaiking

Another great night of Armageddon..As usual Irish muaythai fighters put on a great display of fight action!

As ever some fighters were lucky and some not so but im sure no one that was there could question the calibre of those fights last night. They were really great displays of muaythai.

Some of the novice fighters were unlucky on their first outings in the ring but im certain they will be back training and fighting as soon as possible.

A strong performance by Robert Doyle to force a cuts stoppage with superb knees and elbows against a very good opponent Danny Taylor.

Eoghan Murphy had been suffering with dehydration prior to the fight from making weight and was forced to reitre after the first round with dizzyness. Unfortunate for both Eoghan, his team and the crowd as it was gearing up to be one hell of an explosive fight. Im sure he and his highly rated Uk opponent Liam Racktoo will meet again.

Strong wins for Trish and Stephen from Bridgestone as well as another solid performance from Cork Thai who are without a doubt one of if not the top clubs in the country at the moment.

All in all another great night of muaythai action. A great night for Mr Paul 'Bridgestone' Kelly, all the fighters and spectators. As Bridgestone are moving to a new bigger city gym this January im sure a new Armageddon venue will beckon shortly.

yomchi

Just wanted to say it was a fantastic night with top class fights from the start.

Well done to my good friend Ray Lakes who had his first outing on Saturday and fought superbly, he put on a great show and was narrowly beaten on points.

Well done to all involved for putting on a great night.

Best of luck with the move to North King st. Are you guys moving in beside Martial arts inc?

Carrier

Have to echo the comments made so far. I've been to three or four of these Muay Thai events but that was best in terms of the ability of the fighters. The standard is getting seriously high.

Highlight of the night was Mike Dockery's fight. The range of Muay Thai moves Mike came out with was unreal. Flying knees, jumping roundhouses and reverse back-hands were a couple of the ones I could name. I was as stunned as the rest of the crowd when the decision was awarded against him. I thought he dominated the fight, landed an awful lot more shots than his opponent did and showed himself to be a technically gifted fighter. Although I'm probably a bit biased (as a member of Mike's Warrior gym) but I think the crowd's reaction showed that he was robbed. Even Sawyer's corner looked shocked.

The other fight I thought was excellent was Robbie Doyle's. Robbie took a lot of shots but he was vicious in the clinch and used his height to elbow down on his oponent's head, kneck and shoulders. I think this was what eventually won the fight in that one of these hammer blows split his opponent on the back of the head. The guy he fought was an excellent competitor and I'd say he's itching for a rematch.

Third favourate fight was John Bracken's for the first round alone. I believe he took the fight at short notice but he flew out in the first round in an attempt to end it early, and he very nearly did so with some sweet right hands. His opponent didn't know what planet he was on. The guy was looking in three different directions at the one time. Johno didn't press home his advantage and as the fight wore on O'Brien showed real grit to regain his composure. He showed great footwork against Johno who started to run out of steam a bit towards the end. Draw was a fair result.

Overall it was a great night for Irish Muay Thai and a lot of people in that crowd will be itching to get into the ring. I certainly was!

Carrier

Have to echo the comments made so far. I've been to three or four of these Muay Thai events but that was best in terms of the ability of the fighters. The standard is getting seriously high.

Highlight of the night was Mike Dockery's fight. The range of Muay Thai moves Mike came out with was unreal. Flying knees, jumping roundhouses and reverse back-hands were a couple of the ones I could name. I was as stunned as the rest of the crowd when the decision was awarded against him. I thought he dominated the fight, landed an awful lot more shots than his opponent did and showed himself to be a technically gifted fighter. Although I'm probably a bit biased (as a member of Mike's Warrior gym) but I think the crowd's reaction showed that he was robbed. Even Sawyer's corner looked shocked.

The other fight I thought was excellent was Robbie Doyle's. Robbie took a lot of shots but he was vicious in the clinch and used his height to elbow down on his oponent's head, kneck and shoulders. I think this was what eventually won the fight in that one of these hammer blows split his opponent on the back of the head. The guy he fought was an excellent competitor and I'd say he's itching for a rematch.

Third favourate fight was John Bracken's for the first round alone. I believe he took the fight at short notice but he flew out in the first round in an attempt to end it early, and he very nearly did so with some sweet right hands. His opponent didn't know what planet he was on. The guy was looking in three different directions at the one time. Johno didn't press home his advantage and as the fight wore on O'Brien showed real grit to regain his composure. He showed great footwork against Johno who started to run out of steam a bit towards the end. Draw was a fair result.

Overall it was a great night for Irish Muay Thai and a lot of people in that crowd will be itching to get into the ring. I certainly was!

mushykeogh

thought the judges got the mike dockery fight bang on, thought the other guy won at least 3 of the 5 rounds, and so did a few of the people i was at the show with, just my opinion tho!

paddyc

if you do a reffing and judging course with tony myers you start to see thai fights in a different light....


you dont score a fight if the lad hits him a punch on the gloves and the crowd roars its approval... so mostly the home grown lad wins if this was the way...

you score a fight for a clean EFFECTIVE technique that lands well.... a kick score nothing unless if lands cleanly if its blocked its worthless....

tis a hard one to call alright ......



paddy

Andrew_M

mushykeogh wrote:

thought the judges got the mike dockery fight bang on, thought the other guy won at least 3 of the 5 rounds, and so did a few of the people i was at the show with, just my opinion tho!

Agreed, i dont mean to insult the guy but i cant see how someone would think Mike should have won that. I thought it was a fair call by the judges

Overall i enjoyed the show, the only fight i was disappointed with was:

Darran Lo (Bridgestone Gym) v Ron Leslie (Lumpini Gym, England)

The only round i thought Darran won was the 2nd, and he did win it hands down, he kept catching Rons leg and kicking out his back leg, no arguements about him taking that round but Ron won the 1st round 10-8 and he won th 3rd 10-9

This isnt for a second an attack on the judges, the judges on the night did a great job, just my opinion and i havent done a judges course so im open to correction...

Bridgestone Man

Hi Andrew,

Just one problem and the thing that most people dont understand, and that goes for a few judges, but an eight count does not automatically make it a 10-8 scored round in Muay Thai.

If a fighter wins a round it is a 10-9 round normally and if he gives his opponant an 8-count then the round is scored 10-8 normally but if the fighter either takes an 8-count during the round but dominates the rest of the round the judge could score it 10-9. In other words if the fighter that got the 8-count dominated the rest of the round or in Darrans case took an 8-count in the first 20 seconds of the round and then came back to dominate the rest of the round then he should not win the round after taking the 8-count but can be deemed not to have lost it so the round would be scored 10-10 drawn but a minus 1 point for the 8-count therefore giving the final scored of 10-9 to in this case Darrans opponant.

So I would have scored the fight
1st Rnd 10-9 For Leslie
2nd Rnd 10-8 for Lo (as Leslie took an 8-count and Lo took rnd)
3rd Rnd 10-10 Drawn rnd

Therefore I feel a win for Lo was the proper decision under the rules.

You can check with Tony Myers and Ger Ryan who can confirm this is the way a judge may score the fight. But as always it is down to the experience and the personal view of the fight by each judge.

As you can see judging is a minefield and which is probably like a ref you are never going to please every one but sometimes Muay Thai rules and scoring system can be hard to grasp but people that want to judge or understand how to win the fight in the judges eyes should try to get to any judges courses they can, I have done several under Tony and I find it a nightmare to try to keep to the guidelines on it so we should all have some sympathy for the guys that sit down at ringside so that when fighters fight someone can call a decision.

Regards,
PK.

Andrew_M

Point taken Paul,

Your show before this one, i judged on the first 3 fights and Ger Ryan asked me beforehand if i knew how to do it, and i said i thought i had a fair idea, anyway he ran through it quickly with me, and said if someone scores a knockdown and his opponent is given an 8 count, then it's scored as a 10-8. So I did think the 1st round was a 10-8 solely because of the 8 count at the start, thought that was the way it worked, but like i said i havent done a judges course, so i stand corrected.

In regards to the 3rd, i still think Ron won that round because i saw him land a few cleaner shots than Darran, even though both were equally tired Ron landed cleaner punches

Anyway like i said not an attack on anyone, just my opinion. I know Tony did a course in Craigs gym a few weeks back, missed that, but the next time he's over, id be interested in taking part and learning a bit more about how fights are scored

Bridgestone Man

Hi Andrew,

I know I threw you in at the deep end that time and I do appreciate you Judged for me on that night as some people let me down. The advice Ger would have given you would have been the best he could in the time he was given to advise you as I said most of the time a 8 count will make the round a 10-8 but if a fighter takes it back it can be 10-9. I do not know what each jugde scored on the night but just trying to show you the possibilities.

Again your comments have shown what has turned into a heavy debate sometime about strikes that score in Muay Thai. The scoring system used is the same as used in the stadiums in Thailand or at least should be, This is Muay Thai and not Kickboxing. Tony Myers is always trying to get people in Europe to understand the scoring system which cannot be explained in a short paragraph. The problem is the round scores are the same as Pro boxing ( 10 - 10 must system ) but the strikes score differently as in boxing a punched landed scores but under Thai rules unless the landed punch shows effect as in moving the head back or off balances the guy then it does not score. Also Knees or leg kicks to the lower part of the body again will only score if they have an effective unbalancing effect ( moves him in some way showing effect). But a knee or kick landed on the mid or upper part of the body/head if not blocked will score even if it fails to move him, even a heavy kick landed to the upper arm will score as this could not be termed a block. As you can see it is a very hard system for us westerners to grasp having been brought up on Pro and Amature boxing and would take hours even to try to explain part of it. So the more guys that mayby past their fighting days get stuck in and do Judging courses and do some judging at fights to get experience then the better the standard of judging will become.

I have viewed the fight and yes in the third Leslie landed some good effective punches as did Lo but Lo threw more effective kicks and knees and also caught and dropped Leslie to the canvas not for a eight count but it is a good scoring point so I would have to say, only in my opinion that it was a drawn round. Th trouble is punches are more easily seen when conact the head and can influence the viewer but a judge must keep in mind all techniques thrown and score it accordingly. The DVD will be out in the next couple of weeks so people can get another look as even when you in the corner the view of the fight can be a bit biased sometimes in both ways so it is nice to get a second chance to review it.

I dont always agree with the scoring system used in Muay Thai but since this is a sport you stick to the rules of the sport or find another one and I am too old at this stage.:o

Regards,
Paul.

Regards,
Paul.

dangermouse_1

Great show with some excellent fights.

Just wanted to say a huge well done to Danny Taylor.. who took the fight with 2 weeks notice having not trained for over a month.
This was Danny's first ever full thai rules bout and he fights at 59kg! Not a bad performance and a shame it was stopped by a cut.

Don't know whether Danny would take a rematch because there was a noticably big weight difference - but it would be interesting for sure!

Congrats to Rob Doyle on the win and to everyone else that fought on the show.