Whats my move?

BigCityBanker

Weds night tourney in the SE (40 + 1 rebuy/topup with a scalp)

ME 7.5k
Villian 6.5k
Blinds 100/200

Villian is an aggressive chinese dude - I have seen him raise with his good cards and not so good cards. He likes to bet at the pot.

He limps in mid position, I limp on the button with AJo. SB completes and BB checks his option. We now have 6 players in the pot.

Flop A 6 6 rainbow - checked around to Villian who bets out 2k (It appeared as if he only wanted to bet 1k - he lifted his stack and let chips fall from bottom), folded to me... whats my move with only SB + BB left to go after me?

Should I have raised from the button with my holding?

ty.

El Stuntman

BigCityBanker wrote:

Weds night tourney in the SE (40 + 1 rebuy/topup with a scalp)

ME 7.5k
Villian 6.5k
Blinds 100/200

Villian is an aggressive chinese dude - I have seen him raise with his good cards and not so good cards. He likes to bet at the pot.

He limps in mid position, I limp on the button with AJo. SB completes and BB checks his option. We now have 6 players in the pot.

Flop A 6 6 rainbow - checked around to Villian who bets out 2k (It appeared as if he only wanted to bet 1k - he lifted his stack and let chips fall from bottom), folded to me... whats my move with only SB + BB left to go after me?

Should I have raised from the button with my holding?

ty.

let's not go broke here

Flushdraw

BigCityBanker wrote:

Weds night tourney in the SE (40 + 1 rebuy/topup with a scalp)

Flop A 6 6 rainbow - checked around to Villian who bets out 2k (It appeared as if he only wanted to bet 1k - he lifted his stack and let chips fall from bottom)

Should I have raised from the button with my holding?

Was that not a string bet Noel?? Do you really want to be playing AJo in a multiway pot..If youre going to play that hand, you need to narrow the field and put a raise in from the button. In a 6 way pot i'm probably folding, in a 2 or 3 way pot i'm shipping it in, especially if the rebuy period is still going. You cant discount the likelyhood of the blinds holding a 6 here either.

BigCityBanker

Flushdraw wrote:

Was that not a string bet Noel??

TBH I thought it was - but there was after been a lot of "discussion" at the table in relation to earlier bets, ppl acting out of turn, bets standing etc etc etc so i didnt want to kick it all off again.

willis

Raise preflop

As played, i think id flat call the 2k,fairly certain were ahead of MP, but if we push then the blinds only call with a 6. I think a call here is ok, if the sb/bb push i fold, otherwise we get the resta chips in vs MP on turn. Raise preflop though

Ollieboy

You should have raise preflop, AJ is not a big enough hand to be trapping with here and you need to raise to see what other strong hands are out there and not allow the blinds to see a cheap fold, you also want to isolate the mp as if the flop misses you, you can use your position to pick up the pot.

The problem here is, either of the blinds could wake up with a 6, so flat calling is a option, there's no need to raise as if the blinds fold, your heads up and hopefully ahead. You can than flat call or raise the turn to see if your ahead, but if he tries to bluff you, you could be playing for your tourney and thats because you didnt find out his hand strenght preflop. but with him limping, he might have ace rag here. Hopefully not A6. If you flat call, you'll have nearly 1/3 of your stack in the middle and will find it hard to get away from the hand, but we do have outs, like a Ace....lol

ianmc38

Raise preflop to avoid this kind of situation. I'm folding now as 2k is more than 25% of your stack and you dont want to call and have the blinds wake up with 6x.

BigCityBanker

Ok - so if I falt call and blinds fold behind - turn is a blank and he pushes?

Now whats my move?

califano

BigCityBanker wrote:

Ok - so if I falt call and blinds fold behind - turn is a blank and he pushes?

Now whats my move?

In this case call. Partly because he's chinese but mostly because your likely ahead. Is he really limping in mp with AK AQ because thats probably all you could be behind. If he has A6 K6 then so what.

ianmc38

rounders123 wrote:

Call. Partly because he's chinese

Dom why aren't you moderating this forum? Blatant racism. Ban please.

califano

ianmc38 wrote:

Dom why aren't you moderating this forum? Blatant racism. Ban please.

lol:D
You know what i mean though. If i wanted to be racist id rant about Nigerian car drivers in Dublin city. Terrible drivers.

Not racist!

El Stuntman

lol, I'd love to see what the non-national consensus is on Irish poker players!!

('mad lunatic drunken gamblers'?)

Ollieboy

BigCityBanker wrote:

Ok - so if I falt call and blinds fold behind - turn is a blank and he pushes?

Now whats my move?

You've than got to decide if he was trapping you with a limp in mp with AK/AQ etc, very unlikely. Its also unlikely that he's betting a set, but a lot of good players bet a set with a Ace high flop. I would take a push as a sign of weakness and he doesn't want a call and I would expect to be ahead here, plus the pair board means our J plays as a kicker.

But I'm guessing this is as a sad end? Or you were the chinese guy....lol

P.S. did you ask Kate what she thought? lol, you need to get a social life mate....lol

kebabfest

El Stuntman wrote:

lol, I'd love to see what the non-national consensus is on Irish poker players!!

('mad lunatic drunken gamblers'?)

In fairness this wasnt racist slander against Chinese. It is a sterotype of the chinese gamblers which are around i.e. they luv to GAMBLE\RAISE\RERAISE etc. , although if you view all chinese gamblers like this YOU'LL LOSE !!
@ts , apart from the Nigerians who actually stop , even if you arent wearing a short skirt. I HATE TAXI DRIVERS

El Stuntman

Ollieboy wrote:

P.S. did you ask Kate what she thought? lol, you need to get a social life mate....lol

no fraternising with the staff please, very unprofessional

BigCityBanker

Right heres how it played out. I was confident that both the SB + BB were no longer interested in the hand after the 2k bet as I could see them getting ready to instafold. I went into the tank for a minute on this one and after contempleting flat calling I got a rush and pushed, I was instacalled and he showed AK. I really thought I was miles ahead here and he was playing a rag ace.

I was left scratching my head after this hand for a number of reasons and wondered if the hand would have played out any different had I raised preflop or smooth called his flop bet. I cant help but thinking I would have went broke here regardless. I think I was influenced by my impression that he only wanted to bet 1k - I chalked it down as a where is my rag ace going to figure in this hand bet?

Realistically - had I an opportunity to get away from this? I think if the hand was replayed 10 more times I am going broke each time regardless of the action on each street.

Ollie - I will ask Kate out for you if you are too shy?

Ollieboy

You had made up your mind early in the hand that you were going to try and trap him with any big to marginal big hand, so going broke was more of risks in busting him than actually bad play.

1. You should have raised 5 times the bb at this stage, if you had and he re-raise you, you would have been more careful on the flop or got away from it preflop if he had push allin. This would have been the best way of getting away from this hand.

2. If you had just flat called, which I would have as you had already decided preflop to trap him, you might have reconsider on the turn with his push, but I'm guessing he would have check raise you here and you would still have gone bust.

The only way out of the hand was preflop and getting him to push allin and you folding.

Unlucky mate, I'll leave Kate to you as you've spent more money in the SE chasing her...... glad you have a good job to support yourself as your losing a fortune in there!