MTT hand from Jackpot

cooker3

A hand from the students paradise thats is the 20+3 tournament on Thursday.

Stacks sizes
Hero: 15,000 approx
Villian 7,000

Blinds 200-400

I am been playing pretty tight, after the break I pushed all-in 3 times, the 3rd time I got called by 2 people, luckily I managed to get a set with my pair of 9's so trebled up and have a nice stack, not played a hand since I trebled up.
The villian has been short and pushed few times but doubled up and overall looks pretty solid and not got out of line yet.

I am on sb with Qs 7h, there 2 limpers ahead of me, I limp also and villian who is bb checks so 4 players to flop with pot of 1600

Flop: 7s 6h 4h

I lead out for 1200, villian pushes all-in, the other 2 limpers fold, so it's 5500 to call and pot is 9500.

So call or fold?

StraddleFor6

Fold. You're behind or up against two overs and a flush draw here to often.

boba_fett3099

I think i may have to fold here because i think your behind too often. Having said that, villan is capable of doing this with tpgk or a pair and a straight draw so your not always behind. I just think at this stage of the tornament when most people are pushing with ace-rag anyway there is no need to risk this much of your stack as you will almost definately find a better spot! Oh and not that it makes a difference but i think you had K-7!!

ocallagh

call, i think he has a str8 draw more often than 2 pair here. and even if he has 2 pair, u have outs

cardshark202

Niall you are some calling station.
I check the flop.
As played fold.

El Stuntman

fold and start singing old Gloria Gaynor numbers

sikes

you have a house of hearts over spades and a great draw to the nut straight flush. stick it in!

honestly, i think he has pushed for too much to be able to call. how many players left/get paid and the average?

did you call and see pockets fives? 5h on the turn, 8h on the river, bingo

edit: ignore edit, i was asleep

boardmember

Did you make the final table? I am trying to remember the hand, I was the guy with the shirt & tie.

LuckyLloyd

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Ste05

ocallagh wrote:

call, i think he has a str8 draw more often than 2 pair here. and even if he has 2 pair, u have outs

I'll join ocallagh in the calling station camp too, for the same reasons.

ianmc38

cardshark202 wrote:

Niall you are some calling station.

Agreed.

I'll bet this flop from the blinds sometimes especially due to your tight image. As played fold now.

valor

Fold preflop

ditpoker

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Check the flop. You shouldn't bet flops like this with your holding because you can never call this type of re - raise. If it was checked around you can assess the turn card - and try to take it down there.

lloyd usually your posts make alot of sense... but what you suggest is ALL wrong and i dont think you'd play it like you suggest at all. you've limped with a marginal holding which ALOT of us would do, you hit top pair decent kicker, your first to act with limited info so you stick a bet out there, try and take it down, get reraised by what would be a substantial dent to your stack so cards go in the muck... your suggesting checking, trying to get a free card and then make the bet? why give 3 players a free card on a draw heavy board? what card do you want to see?

i think you have to bet the flop for info, and then you get the info you wanted and fold (or call if your ocallagh!) as played, fold to the raise.

LuckyLloyd

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Goodluck2me

1) why are you limping with q7o? there are so few flops that you could be ahppy with, if you hit 2 queens your worried about kicker etc etc. fold that muck pre flop
2) if your just deciding to make a move then raise with the bag of poo and try and ask some question, limping is not the answer as you arent guna hit a great flop often enough.
if you are limping do it with faily connected cards at least as then you may hit some kind of draw.

as played , i dont mind the bet as many players here limp with bgi cards and are likely to have missed, but fold for sure now. its only a pair of sevens...:rolleyes: how did you outlast me??lol

boba_fett3099

goodluck2me wrote:

bag of poo

Now now no need for type of language..

Hitman Actual

Everything about the hand is borderline. You complete in the sb after two limpers, which is fine odds-wise, but doing it with Q7 is borderline. I don't mind the lead at all, but again it's a marginal play. Normally I'd say that if you hit some resisitance you should give it up, but you're now getting nearly 2/1, which again (without looking properly at the maths) is probably right on the borderline. I think you're ahead, and probably facing something like a pair and a draw, but if you take into account 2-pair hands then I think it's close to odds you need for the call to be +EV.

Edit: Actually, getting 2/1, I think it's a fairly easy call against a push-happy dude in the BB.

califano

StraddleFor6 wrote:

Fold. or up against two overs and a flush draw here to often.

So your folding why now?

cooker3

Whoops, got banned from using computer so apologies for lateness of replies

Anyway results.

I thought about it for good minute or so and ultimately felt that the board was so draw heavy that he has the draw enough to justify the call so that is exactly what I did.
He slowly turns over a 5 and the only question I have now is his other card a 8 or a 3, it was the 8 and I duely lose pot.

I called in sb because I was getting 8-1 odds, marginal yes but still pretty good odds, is it really that bad a play?
I bet the flop mainly because I don't want to face a situation where someone else bets, then what do I do then, check raise is worse then betting surely. If I call and overcard comes then what do I do, just check fold?

I wasn't sure whether it was a bad call or not so went home and ran it in pokerstove, I thought it would be marginal, it was in fact nowhere near. I needed 42% I think to make a correct call and only was getting 30% so all in all bad call. I really need to reign in my calling stations ways.

Btw I finished 11th in end when I was short, pushed with A3 and guy behind me picked up aces so bleh, should have easily gotten to final table.

Hitman Actual

cooker3 wrote:

I wasn't sure whether it was a bad call or not so went home and ran it in pokerstove, I thought it would be marginal, it was in fact nowhere near. I needed 42% I think to make a correct call and only was getting 30% so all in all bad call. I really need to reign in my calling stations ways.

The maths is confusing me here. 1600 in the pot at flop + your lead for 1200 + his call of 1200 + his push of 5500 more to you? Is that right? So 36% BE?

And what range did you stick into pokerstove? I think he has a pair and a draw often enough for your call to be correct. But I'm hungover and can't really see the screen, let alone work out some basic maths, so maybe I'm way off.

cooker3

lenny_leonard wrote:

The maths is confusing me here. 1600 in the pot at flop + your lead for 1200 + his call of 1200 + his push of 5500 more to you? Is that right? So 36% BE?

And what range did you stick into pokerstove? I think he has a pair and a draw often enough for your call to be correct. But I'm hungover and can't really see the screen, let alone work out some basic maths, so maybe I'm way off.

Hmmmn your right it's 36%, I calculated it as 42% on night, suppose I was tired but hey still 6% off so still good bit off. My range was basically any 2 pair hand and lots of draws, I think it's pretty reasonable, pasted it below

101,970 games 0.406 secs 251,157 games/sec

Board: 7s 6h 4h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 30.4241 % 28.96% 01.46% { Kc7h }
Hand 2: 69.5759 % 68.12% 01.46% { 77-44, A7s, Kh7h, Qh7h, Jh7h, 9h8h, 87s, 85s, 74s+, 7h3h, 64s+, 53s, 4h3h, A7o, 87o, 85o, 74o+, 64o+, 53o }

RoundTower

call, you are way too short to fold top pair good kicker.

fuzzbox

You bet far too much with a weak hand into a field out of position.
Fold when he shoves, you either have the worst hand, or are actually behind to a draw way too often to call.

But either check the flop or bet smaller IMHO.

gosplan

I don't think you played it too badly as some have suggested.

Calling preflop prehaps incorrect but one you do the flop really sticks it to you..

The tournament circumstances change the idea of betting out on the flop.

Anyone on a lower stack could play any 7, any two hearts or a single 5 this way. There's no way large stacks could but people will look at this as a chance to double up when they need to. If you're not going to stick a small stack in on top pair/open-ender/flush draw with overcards then when are you going to get it in.