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an official church

  • 15-11-2006 2:44pm
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    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    I'm wondering what it takes in Ireland to be legally designated as a Church; is it based on number of followers or is there a set criteria that an organisation must meet before being given the stamp of approval...

    Also, what benefits are there to being a church in this country? Tax is one thing that often gets thrown around, but are there many others?

    Something I'm interested in (although I don't have any plans to set one up at the moment... it's just something I wondered about after reading this article)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I never thought there were 30 at the moment!

    All I know is that in the US I believe its based on a minimum number of 'followers'...brought to my attention after enough people wrote down "Jedi" on their census forms for it to be declared a Religion :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭grumpytrousers


    Difference between being a 'religion' and a church. To be honest the only difference between a religion and a cult is the amount of history you have behind you; thus you might only have 500 Lutherans in Ireland but it's a church, meanwhile 2000 people call themselves 'jedi' in the last census, but they're still classified as plonkers. :D

    In response to the OPs question, i had a quick google for scientology just to see how they are described in ireland...could find v little. Those with more time on their hands might look and see if they have either

    a) VAT number
    b) Registered charity number.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭dermot_sheehan


    There is no such thing as "official" approval of a religion in Ireland. If you want a body to have charitable status, it must have a charitable object. According to section 45 of the charities act 1961 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZA17Y1961S45.html gifts for the advancement of religious are charitable but no where in the act does it define religion and I'm unaware of any case law.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 135 ✭✭Stirling


    Charitable trusts - the nightmares of studying Equity are coming back to me! :(

    I think Gabhain is right in saying that there is no specific statutory definition of what is meant by a "Church" but out of interest this area of the law is under examnation and there have been a number of papers published on it by the different Government Departments - worth taking a look especially as reform is being motivated because of those "Chugger" lads trying to sign people up for direct debits!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    http://www.revenue.ie/pdf/charit_a.pdf

    This List of 6964 bodies who have been granted charitable tax exemption @ 31st October 2006 under Section 207 Taxes Consolidation Act,1997.

    14454 on that list is Aquarian Tabernacle Church - Eire which is the first church of pagan and electic wicca to be established here and it is as "official" as any other religions' churches.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I'll throw in as a quick clerification: Most countries would never condone a State-endorsed religion. Ireland is no exception, and I hope nobody gets confused as to wether thats whats being asked here (its not)

    But what you're saying basically, is there is no requirement for being a church, so long as its Charitable (and I'd assume follows a 'religion') ?


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