Top 3 get Ticket/paid. AK sooted 6 handed.

ligger

Thoughts on this. Do you call to try and lock up a ticket or do you fold and wait.


MTT Table 1 13306737-86 Holdem No Limit 400/800
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Hand Start.
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Seat 1 : Hero has $11,690
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Seat 3 : amcgrath1uk has $10,670
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Seat 4 : CoolWetSand has $11,765
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Seat 5 : BIGVRAJI has $10,910
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Seat 7 : da gilly555 has $5,440
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Seat 8 : Villan has $9,525
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Villan is the dealer.
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Hero posted small blind.
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : amcgrath1uk posted big blind.
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Game [86] started with 6 players.
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Nov 13 20:49:52] : Seat 1 : Hero has Ks As
[Nov 13 20:49:55] : CoolWetSand folded.
[Nov 13 20:49:55] : BIGVRAJI folded.
[Nov 13 20:49:57] : Stakes: 400/800 Current level: 8 Level up in: 6 min. Break in: 52 min. Players : 6
[Nov 13 20:49:57] : da gilly555 folded.
[Nov 13 20:50:07] : Villan called 800 and raised 8,725 and is All-in
[Nov 13 20:50:17] : Stakes: 400/800 Current level: 8 Level up in: 6 min. Break in: 51 min. Players : 6
[Nov 13 20:50:18] : It's your turn.

DapperGent

Completely dependant on what the villan has been doing up to this point. In general you crush his range though and you're still a long way from third.

shaydy

Is there any reason to respect this villans raise? How is your play up to now, have you been running the table or just picking spots to double up?

If you are running the table and dont want to race then fold but I call just about everytime here as your way ahead here more times than not.

ianmc38

I call.

Silver-Tiger

I also call and lets see him table AQ , AJ hopefully.

Lets go and win the ticket. Can't fold AKs here

Can we??

LuckyLloyd

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ligger

In this case Villan was fairly tight and I put him on a medium pair, AK/AQ. But do I want to race when I fell I can still play my way to a ticket.

I folded.

If it was a standard tourney I call here everytime, pretty much regardless of Villan. Just not sure that it was the right fold, as a call and win pretty much gives me a ticket.

Result I finished 3rd for 80% of ticket price.

bops

i hate making this call...i rather raise AI with these cards than call AI...

anyway the usual outcome (for me) here is
Villain Q 7
Board 2 6 J 10.................7

so I'd fold if you really want a ticket

...but you can't !!!!

good luck (what was the ticket for?)

Ok statistically:

Bad: (2)
AA
KK

Race: (11)
22 - QQ

Dominated @ 3/1fav (22)
AQ - A2
KQ - K2

Live: 6/4 Fav (130ish)
All others

bops

excellent fold and good result
wd

Da GOAT

i dont see how you think calling locks up your ticket.

gotta call with AK soooooooooted. if you fold this what are you calling with???

ligger

Da GOAT wrote:

i dont see how you think calling locks up your ticket.

gotta call with AK soooooooooted. if you fold this what are you calling with???

Feel I have a lock on a ticket cause top 2 get one and I will be CL with 21k 5 players left and next best has 12K. If I call and lose I have just 2.5BBs left and will need to get a hand in the next 3 to try and double up. So do I want to take the 60/40 chance or out play them? Like I said in a standard (top 3 make the decent money) tourney I call but this is slightly different.


Ticket was for the 3.5K guarentee freezeout on GJP.

ligger

bops wrote:

excellent fold and good result
wd

Cheers Bops.

Solksjaer

why do people think this is a call? AK is behind most middle pairs (albeit marginally) and this guy only wants 3rd for his ticket.
All ins are to be avoided unless you are short stack and need to double up. So if you can play and avoid all ins and build up your stack (as he seems to think he can) It's a definite fold. Going all in takes the play out of it and basically any piece of luck has you beat. A K is way overrated. It's a powerful raising hand to all- in not necessarily a powerful calling hand especially in this circumstances. . Most guys will tell you their exit hands or stack destroyers are usually A K.

Good disciplined fold!

bubbleking

IMHO the worst case scenario here is your 50:50 unless your read suggests that villan has AA or KK.

i call every time and then some.

White Knight

I nearly always have this range as a mid pair, in a hope not to get called but with a showdown value, that is happy to race if called. 55-1010 is the range i would put him on.

Again if you feel comfortable at the table, there is no need to race in the situation depending on the player in question and how active he has been.

I would have raced

califano

ligger wrote:

I folded.

I must edit my player notes;)

ligger

rounders123 wrote:

I must edit my player notes;)

If the french man had raised I would have insta called....

califano

Apologies. I thought on reading first you had KK. Villain is puncinella i presume. He was going allin all night. If it were him i'd a called just to stick it to him one more time!.

ligger

rounders123 wrote:

Apologies. I thought on reading first you had KK. Villain is puncinella i presume. He was going allin all night. If it were him i'd a called just to stick it to him one more time!.

No it was not him. It was edgeedge. Did not have any real notes on him, but he was playing pretty tight for the 3 orbits previously. So felt it was 1010/JJ and he did not want to play post flop. Gave him the benefit as I felt comfortable to still be able to play to the tickets. Was gonna buy in to the 3.5k with the winnings but was too tired as I know it is a 1am finish for the FT.

Did you cash last nite?

Ligger

Solksjaer

AK good player(?), 6 left...3 paid.

So with AK against a push at this stage it's highly likely some kind of small pair or middle pair, (50-50?) could be worse though. So the logic I'd apply here is

Good player versus not so good player = FOLD ...never give a sucker an even break
Good player versus good player = FOLD, depending of course on history, stack size and standard of remainng players.

Good player versus excellent player = Instant call as you are the sucker and you are getting the even break.

That would be my logic, probably why I call and you probably shouldn't.:) mostly I run into better players at the final table so I need to get lucky.:)

Rnger

I fold here cuz im a rock. I prefer to play small ball close to the bubble

califano

ligger wrote:

Did you cash last nite?

Ligger

I didnt even qualify. With blinds mad high i took my turn to steal and got caught!.

ligger

rounders123 wrote:

I didnt even qualify. With blinds mad high i took my turn to steal and got caught!.

Hey theres always tonight, my dead money will probably be in the qualifer.:)

LuckyLloyd

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cardshark202

Easy call. Very bad fold.

ianmc38

bubbleking wrote:

IMHO the worst case scenario here is your 50:50
i call every time and then some.

Excatly what I thought about this hand. We usually have this guys range crippled here. It smells much more like a blatant button steal than it does a pair. If there were 4 left with 3 tickets, I might fold, but not with 6 players left.

Hectorjelly

No offence to anyone but this thread is funny. You put him on a mid pair did you? LOL. Why not just put him on AQ and call?

Solksjaer

Hey Ligger, I see you got your ticket so ....WP and congrats. and er in the grand scheme of things GOOD FOLD. ( no offence to any WSOP bracelet holders out there )

rgds

WillieC

ligger

Hectorjelly wrote:

No offence to anyone but this thread is funny. You put him on a mid pair did you? LOL. Why not just put him on AQ and call?

Just what I thought at the time was he had a pair that did not want a call, hence his push. Think this is one where there is no right/wrong answer without the hand having played to the end.

He probably had KQ o/s..:)

fuzzbox

bubbleking wrote:

IMHO the worst case scenario here is your 50:50 unless your read suggests that villan has AA or KK.

Whats the normal case then ?

Oh .... and does your "read" somehow change the value of his cards ?
So if your "read" says that he doesnt have AA/KK and subsequently make the call - then will he never turn over one of those hands ?

Tar.Aldarion

Probably call.
I pretty much was the villain(not this villain and I must note my hate of that term] in this scenario on monday night, I had 55.
Got called by one person, j6, 6 on the river.

Hectorjelly

fuzzbox wrote:

Whats the normal case then ?

Oh .... and does your "read" somehow change the value of his cards ?
So if your "read" says that he doesnt have AA/KK and subsequently make the call - then will he never turn over one of those hands ?

Fuzzbox, its clear now you now little about poker. A read of a player means picking a hand almost at random from almost no information at all (hopefully just a preflop push), then playing your hand as if your opponent has shown you his cards; with no regard to pot odds or the fact that your read may be wrong.

Then if you are right, you remember your read for the rest of your life and use it as justification to continue with this horrible process. Extra credits if you blame your lack of success on your continued bad luck!

Gholimoli

Hectorjelly wrote:

Fuzzbox, its clear now you now little about poker. A read of a player means picking a hand almost at random from almost no information at all (hopefully just a preflop push), then playing your hand as if your opponent has shown you his cards; with no regard to pot odds or the fact that your read may be wrong.

Then if you are right, you remember your read for the rest of your life and use it as justification to continue with this horrible process. Extra credits if you blame your lack of success on your continued bad luck!

isnt he just a right arrogant c*nt.
I mean come on who does he think he is.
You may be good at poker HJ but you suck at people skills and that’s really what counts.
I bet you have no mates or any friends in real life.

cardshark202

If only I could catch a break, I would be a great player. I just run too bad. Its all bad varience.

Hectorjelly

Gholimoli wrote:

isnt he just a right arrogant c*nt.
I mean come on who does he think he is.
You may be good at poker HJ but you suck at people skills and that’s really what counts.
I bet you have no mates or any friends in real life.

10k fight, yo?

bops

Gholimoli wrote:

isnt he just a right arrogant c*nt.
I mean come on who does he think he is.
You may be good at poker HJ but you suck at people skills and that’s really what counts.
I bet you have no mates or any friends in real life.

As much as is pains me to say it...

Well said Gholi !!!

...unless my sarcometer is busted again

5starpool

bops wrote:

As much as is pains me to say it...

Well said Gholi !!!

...unless my sarcometer is busted again

Alas and alack.

califano

'$250 on Richards'

Hectorjelly

bops wrote:

As much as is pains me to say it...

Well said Gholi !!!

...unless my sarcometer is busted again

awww

and I had been trying so hard to be nice to you!

Gholimoli

bops wrote:

...unless my sarcometer is busted again

deffo busted...

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

Fuzzbox, its clear now you now little about poker. A read of a player means picking a hand almost at random from almost no information at all (hopefully just a preflop push), then playing your hand as if your opponent has shown you his cards; with no regard to pot odds or the fact that your read may be wrong.

Then if you are right, you remember your read for the rest of your life and use it as justification to continue with this horrible process. Extra credits if you blame your lack of success on your continued bad luck!

Where can I cash my *many* extra credits ?

Gholimoli

Hectorjelly wrote:

10k fight, yo?

make it a 50 meter sprint for 300 yo yo and your on.
or alternatively HU match best out of 5 for 400 yo yo and your still on.

bubbleking

fuzzbox wrote:

Whats the normal case then ?

Oh .... and does your "read" somehow change the value of his cards ?
So if your "read" says that he doesnt have AA/KK and subsequently make the call - then will he never turn over one of those hands ?

no its player dependant which wasnt stated by the original poster. if this guy is a complete rock that would only open push with AA/KK then its a fold. if he has open pushed with marginal hands/mid pocket pairs before thens its a call. like said i thinks its 50:50 and your gettin more than even money pot odds to call so id call.

anyway what kind of nooooob end open pushes with aces or kings.

fuzzbox

bubbleking wrote:

no its player dependant which wasnt stated by the original poster. if this guy is a complete rock that would only open push with AA/KK then its a fold. if he has open pushed with marginal hands/mid pocket pairs before thens its a call. like said i thinks its 50:50 and your gettin more than even money pot odds to call so id call.

anyway what kind of nooooob end open pushes with aces or kings.

I do it all the time.

bubbleking

fuzzbox wrote:

I do it all the time.

is that not -EV over time?? as opposed to just raising to maximise winnings.

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

I do it all the time.

You fcuking noooooooob end!

fuzzbox

bubbleking wrote:

is that not -EV over time?? as opposed to just raising to maximise winnings.

How do you figure out its -EVness ?
What formula are you using for this ?

I'd sure be interested in such a thing.

Also - what number do you normally use when you "raise to maximise winnings" ?

fuzzbox

ianmc38 wrote:

You fcuking noooooooob end!

I dont take backchat from those with less chest hair than me !!!!!