Playing as dead money???

gosplan

Hypothetical situation but one I was wondering about.

I'm an ok player, know the game and when I'm on form can implement it.

More importantly I know my levels and what I'm good at, most importantly my limitations. I do well on anything up to 20 stts and most mtts with around the same buy-in. As regards live games I'm ok to a level but haven't put nearly enough time into working on other peoples tells and betting patterns.
(Thsi isn't a plea for help with my game, I'm satisfied to be a bit above average and don't have the time or patience to work on being better)

So the other day I found myself wondering what would I do if I got a ticket to something like the irish open? Essentially I feel I'd be guaranteed to be in the lowest 5% of the field skill-wise.

How does this effect correct strategy. Should I start looking for 50/50's and taking them. If I do this won't better players just see this and wait for big pairs to crush me with? Would my suited connecters always be played dor a raise and maybe reraise as I hope to outflop my way to success?

Ideas please. How does an inferior player take on the bug guns?

Sangre

If you feel you're outclassed by your opponents you need to take any 50/50s that are going. Even 60/40s if the field is much better than you.

phantom_lord

gosplan wrote:

So the other day I found myself wondering what would I do if I got a ticket to something like the irish open? Essentially I feel I'd be guaranteed to be in the lowest 5% of the field skill-wise.

Sell it.

How does this effect correct strategy. Should I start looking for 50/50's and taking them.

Yep.

Hectorjelly

Just play very tight and you will be playing much better than most of the field

Ste05

Read "Kill Phil", it's not a great book, but basically talks about this exact situation.

5starpool

Ste05 wrote:

Read "Kill Phil", it's not a great book, but basically talks about this exact situation.

Shame on you, encouraging people to do this. This book (from what I know, no intention to read it) should be called 'Poker - How to play when you are terrified of being outplayed'.

Bandana boy

5starpool wrote:

Shame on you, encouraging people to do this. This book (from what I know, no intention to read it) should be called 'Poker - How to play when you are terrified of being outplayed'.

As Ste says it exactly identifies the sentiment in the op

5starpool

Bandana boy wrote:

As Ste says it exactly identifies the sentiment in the op

But if this is the approach you take when in the situation outlined in the OP then you shouldn't be palying poker imo. You should just try your damndest not to make any obvious errors, play fairly tight and take it from there. If you are always trying to improve then thats all you can do. Using the Kill Phil approach is a cop out.

Ste05

5starpool wrote:

Shame on you, encouraging people to do this. This book (from what I know, no intention to read it) should be called 'Poker - How to play when you are terrified of being outplayed'.

Ye, I bought it from amazon when it was first released in US after getting reviews comparing it to HoH, but I only read about 20 pages of it and stopped. But it's basically what the OP is looking for, if you really think you're in the bottom 5% of players (which I doubt if someone even reads forums such as this) then this is the book for you.

Da GOAT

friend of mine won a seat to it. i watched him play and he was outclassed, he's not a great player my friend but it was the novelty of playing that he wanted. If you dont consider the seat as having 5K in the bank then you should go for the experiance as it may not happen again.


andy black knocked him out!!

bops

i'd reckon by the sounds of you that you'd be in the top 50% skillwise of the field - I couldn't believe the standard of half of the players last year.

There was a young fella at my 1st table - I nearly cried when he told me he paid the 3,200 to play...

The winner was about the worst I saw ever!!! You should of seen how he got his stack! I felt sick for a month thinking about it.

...so if you win a ticket - go play without thinking about the buy-in amount. Use your head, play sensiblly, get a bit lucky with a couple of coin-tosses, and there is no reason why we wont see you on telly at the FT !!

Gholimoli

5starpool wrote:

But if this is the approach you take when in the situation outlined in the OP then you shouldn't be palying poker imo. You should just try your damndest not to make any obvious errors, play fairly tight and take it from there. If you are always trying to improve then thats all you can do. Using the Kill Phil approach is a cop out.

Dom,
"Kill-Phill's" approach if implemented properly can be very very effective if you are playing against the right type of people.
based on OP description then h can easily use it and i think he would have a much better chance of success with it than if he was to play his own game.
this book does not teach you to play hyper aggrro ninja poker ,despite what most people think.essentially it says to play a tight but very aggrressive game.
it assumes that playing deep stack poker post flop is very complicated and it requires alot of expriance to be played correctly.
thats why it trys to eliminate that from your game which in turn reduces your opponents impplied odds against you to a great degree.when that is done then more or less everything depends on who gets better cards and becuz your chances of getting good cards is just as good as any body elses then you have greatly reduced your disadvantage.
im not saying its a great system but im not saying its a bad one either.it all depends on your opponents and how they play but if they are of the type that like to play small bet ,deep stack,post flop poker then they play better poker than you in later streets then you can over come that by not letting use their skills on later streets and not offer them later streets at all.

LuckyLloyd

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shoutman

There has been many a game where I played knowing that I was essentially dead money but I learnt a lot more from those games then I did from playing a five euro rebuy in D'Aungier St. I agree that you would have a better chance of doing well if you played alla Kill Phil but the problem is it would do little or nothing to improve your general play, where as if you did play and made mistakes while playing your normal game it should teach you to overcome those problems and make you a better player. It doesn't take that much effort for relatively poor players to become semi decent players. Just stop min raising with aa on the dealer button when there has been three limpers, it will only get you in trouble!

cardshark202

In all tournaments, at least 90% of the players are terrible so as HJ said if you play tight and don't make any mistakes you have a chance to do well.

nicryan

jebus reggie what are you doing still awake at this ungodly time of the morning?


-Nic

cardshark202

nicryan wrote:

jebus reggie what are you doing still awake at this ungodly time of the morning?


-Nic

Same thing as any sane person, finishing off an allnighter session.