Buying fags and drink online?

joebhoy1916

Did anyone watch news?

You can buy cigs and drinks online next week you only have to the vat in there country not his country.

So does this mean we could buy 200 smokes for say €20?

Heisenberg.

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joebhoy1916

Well it said you can buy them for personnel use not a container.

Does anyone have info on this? What would personnel use be 2,000 or something like that or maybe even 200 sent to each member of your family

cujimmy

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Did anyone watch news?
So does this mean we could buy 200 smokes for say €20?

maybe even less cigs in Latvia (silk cut) cost 1 euro for 20, in romania 86 cents for 20

joebhoy1916

Any websites?

Rb

Thats brilliant news! Even though I'm trying to quit smoking, ordering cheap booze online will be great

Dooom

Woo, excellent. Crate of marlboro here I come.

Thrill

I saw on the bbc that the English government will lose around 15 billion euro in lost revenue. If Ireland was to lose out on the revenue on booze and drink then i think that they will try to make it up by putting up prices on other things. Non smokers will then find that they are footing the bill for all the cheap cigs cos i cant see the government taking the hit. That kind of money will have to be made up.
Sliced pan= 15 euro a loaf:)

StickyMcGinty

exactly, wont affect me smoke wise, john player cant be bought abroad.

the delivery on 24 cans of gargle will cost a serious amount, actually any large amount of liquid is gonna cost a fortune on delivery

Thrill

VinnyL wrote:

exactly, wont affect me smoke wise, john player cant be bought abroad.

the delivery on 24 cans of gargle will cost a serious amount, actually any large amount of liquid is gonna cost a fortune on delivery

I'd say your right. The average smoker probably wont be ordering smokes by the container load.Or drink for that matter. I think the news is hyping the amount the government will lose anyway. Even if it is made law i would think that the gov. will find a way to get around it somehow.

falipo

any links to this lads?

Thrill

links to topic

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13551915,00.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-2450578,00.html

Dord

is this only the case with alcohol or tobacco or is it with all goods bought online from european websites?

alleepally

joe robot wrote:

is this only the case with alcohol or tobacco or is it with all goods bought online from european websites?

It's only relevant to goods with excise duty

Thrill

Apparently just cigs and alcohol.

joebhoy1916

How many smokes could you buy at one time?

joe robot wrote:

is this only the case with alcohol or tobacco or is it with all goods bought online from european websites?

Just drink and smokes.

jimmycrackcorm

This will be a disaster for the Moore Street economy...:D

alleepally

I'll bet the revenue guys are getting paid overtime at the moment to come up with something to ensure that the vast duties aren't lost. Cigarette Registration Tax (CRT -or FART maybe for fag registration tax?) - any box of fags without the health warning in English will be deemed illegal and in order to smoke them, you have to go to a special CRT office where some ould biddy will stick an approved health warning sticker on your pack for a nice fat fee whilst rolling her eyes and telling you how bad smoking is :-)

wba88

Any1 got any good sites to order from?

Thrill

There doesn't seem to be anything about limits that i can see.
The underground cig market will be hit alright though. Theres no way they could compete with this new ruling.

joebhoy1916

thrill wrote:

There doesn't seem to be anything about limits that i can see.
The underground cig market will be hit alright though.

Thats a good thing

Thrill

alleepally wrote:

I'll bet the revenue guys are getting paid overtime at the moment to come up with something to ensure that the vast duties aren't lost. Cigarette Registration Tax (CRT -or FART maybe for fag registration tax?) - any box of fags without the health warning in English will be deemed illegal

FART:D

You can bet the Spanish and Italian printing presses will go into overdrive to print English warnings. They will use every loophole they can to get around any attempts to deny them the chance to make money out of the poor Irish smoker and drinker.

Seven English pounds for 200 cigs in latvia

alleepally

thrill wrote:

Seven English pounds for 200 cigs in latvia

Jayz, no wonder so many of them smoke!

wyndham

VinnyL wrote:

exactly, wont affect me smoke wise, john player cant be bought abroad.

Yes you can. I bought them in Marbella before. Think they export them there specificallly for the knacks on tour.

admiralofthefleet

joebhoy1916 wrote:

Any websites?

http://www.booze.ie

maybe?

admiralofthefleet

wyndham wrote:

Yes you can. I bought them in Marbella before. Think they export them there specificallly for the knacks on tour.

ha ha funny, prefer the hedgehogs myself. (benson & hedges)

Lump

They haven't brought it into law yet, the European Legal Court is going to decide in 10 days if it will allow it.

John

Thrill

Lump wrote:

They haven't brought it into law yet, the European Legal Court is going to decide in 10 days if it will allow it.

John

And if it is approved you probably wont have to search too hard for sites that will offer to ship the stuff to you pronto.

Tax experts believe the November 23 court ruling will speed up moves towards single rates of tax across the EU.

Conspiracy theorists will probably tell you that it's about getting the single tax rate thing in.

DublinWriter

thrill wrote:

There doesn't seem to be anything about limits that i can see.

When I was in Brussels airport duty free about 3 years ago a rep from Gallaher UK told me that the EU personal allowance when travelling within member states was a maximum of 3,600 cigarettes.

I presume the same EU allowance will still apply.

Happy days!

Dreamer 7

VinnyL wrote:

exactly, wont affect me smoke wise, john player cant be bought abroad.

the delivery on 24 cans of gargle will cost a serious amount, actually any large amount of liquid is gonna cost a fortune on delivery

On the continent the sell john player black, gold and red. Black are red are quite tolerable!

Mushy

exactly, wont affect me smoke wise, john player cant be bought abroad.

Definately available in France anyway. Saw them in red, green, black, silver...maybe one or two more, but not blue!

This doesnt affect me in the slightest as I dont smoke, and a of a few weeks ago, doont drink. Weird ruling though, handy if I do go back to drink

generalmiaow

thrill wrote:

There doesn't seem to be anything about limits that i can see.
The underground cig market will be hit alright though. Theres no way they could compete with this new ruling.

Or maybe they will benefit greatly by legally importing vast quantities of cigarettes (which can't be seized like their current shipments) and selling them a la Moore Street to people who don't use the internet.

Edit: I realise that importing them won't be legal if they intend to sell them, but it will be harder to prove.

Wertz

Dreamer 7 wrote:

On the continent the sell john player black, gold and red. Black are red are quite tolerable!

Ah, JP Specials (black), now there's a proper smoke...

*fights craving*

skyhighflyer

The judgement is due on the 23rd November. It will be up on http://curia.eu.int. After a year of studying EU Law finally they're doing something useful for us

It could still fall through but the Advocate General believes that the tax should be levied in country of origin, i.e cheap smokes and booze for all. Historically, the AG's opinion is followed in 80% of cases.

So the chances are good come on the 23rd!!!

Dr_Teeth

God I hope not. The tax at the moment at least in some way helps to pay for the cancer and heart disease treatments you drug addicts will be demanding in a few decades time.

Don1

The EU are working "tirelessly" to level prices accross the Union. Eventually it won't be cheaper.

Anyway, much in the same as with what would happen if VRT was made illegeal by the European Parliment (on the way) the Government will be waiting with another scheme to recoup lost revenue. They are, and always will be crafty enough to stay one step ahead of the poor aul punter!!
People of Ireland, we will never win!!

rubadub

thrill wrote:

There doesn't seem to be anything about limits that i can see.

There are limits but they are pretty high. You can go past them but must prove it to customs, i.e. you are holding a wedding party. I think spirits is 10 litres, not sure on smokes. wine is more again.
The limits were large though, you would not really want to buy more for personal use in one go.

Tax will be raised on other stuff so it is a sort of benefit if you are a heavy drinker and smoker.

There are a few websites already selling duty free stuff, it is liable for duty but it is sent in small amounts so customs dont bother, probably costs more on administration to collect the money, than the money involved. I have gotten lots of booze online for less than 1/2 price, including the postage. Look on google for duty free online.

I can see far more resturaunts offering a corkage service, I am surprised at the lack of them taking up this loophole. You could have a normal pub claiming to be a resturaunt, serving pub grub at extortionate prices with free corkage, set a minimum order quantity and a set sitting time. pub owner and punters both are better off.

If Ireland set its duty very low then other countries would buy from us. In the end the country with combined low postal costs and duty will see huge benefit.

kippy

http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/?jp=CWIDGBCWQLAU

So much for that.
Nothing changes there.
Kippy

Kilkenny

kippy wrote:

http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/?jp=CWIDGBCWQLAU

So much for that.
Nothing changes there.
Kippy

Guessed as much! These days, smokers seem to be every bureaucrats number 1 enemy.

By the way, I was told a few years ago by a customs guy in Dublin airport that you were theoretically allowed to bring in any amount PROVIDED you could prove it was for personal use ... that in practice, however, Customs would generally assume that up to about 2,500 / 3,000 cigs per person was for personal use, and would start asking questions after that, and would press harder the more you were trying to bring in.

The catch being how do you PROVE that you're not going to sell on the cigs if you have a big amount, I guess ...

(Please note that the reply quoted is several years old, and from just after the rules were changed, so he didn't even seem that sure of it himself ... can't say if anything has changed since)

StickyMcGinty

you could just open all the boxes and take one cig out, that way they cant be for resale! and then go sellin 19 boxes

Ponster

I wonder if it's still possible to get them cheap before the law is actually applied in ernest?

http://www.lowpricecigarettes.com still have 200 Benson for €35 including VAT.