horse ratings?

zuzu

hello,

can anyone explain to be the whole horse ratings deal. Is there a website/link which explains it? Whats is OR, TS, RPR and difference between them? Why do some horses have all three and others not? Who determines the ratings for a horse? Why are they different in Ireland and UK? How does a horse get ratings when before it runs its first race. Do horses get new ratings for the start of new seasons?

Thanks,

Tush

Official Rating-This is a figure given to every horse after one of the following happens.

1. The horse wins a race
2. The horse loses 3 times and in at least one of these races the horse finishes in the first six positions. If it does not get a top six finish in the first three runs, then it must continue racing until it achieves a top six position before it receives an Official Rating.

Hope this helps.

masterK

The 3 you mentioned from the Racing Post are OR- Official Rating, TS- Topspeed and RPR - Racing Post Rating.

The OR is the rating assigned by the official handicapper, the whole idea is that in a handicap each horse will carry a weight determined by their OR with better horses carrying more weight than poorer, the theory being that every horse in a handicap should have an equal chance of winning.

Topspeed is a racing post speed which is assigned purely based on the time a horse completes a race measured against the standard for the course and distance on the going. There are many other speed ratings out there, my personal opinion is that Topspeed would not be the best.

RPR or Racing Post Ratings are the Racing Posts own attempt at providing a number which is the representation of a horses ability, the RPR ratings are adjusted for weight. i.e. if two horses in the same race have an unadjusted RPR of 100 but one is carry 5lb less than the other then the adjusted RPR will be 100 for one and 95 for the other.

keepitquiet

'Ante-post favourite Star De Mohaison features among a 46-strong list of horses engaged in the Hennessy Cognac Gold Cup after the first forfeit stage'

I know slightly off subject off the thread but i thought tht there are enough! just a quick question really. what does the first forfeit stage mean? and how likely is a horse of star de mohaisons quality likely to run if the trainer has told people tht it might not run but not took out the horse before this stage?
Much appreciated if anyone can help me out:)

wb

zuzu wrote:

hello,

can anyone explain to be the whole horse ratings deal. Is there a website/link which explains it? Whats is OR, TS, RPR and difference between them? Why do some horses have all three and others not? Who determines the ratings for a horse? Why are they different in Ireland and UK? How does a horse get ratings when before it runs its first race. Do horses get new ratings for the start of new seasons?

Thanks,

Hi Zuzu. TS and RPR are private ratings compiled by the racing post newspaper.It is more important to understand the OR’s (official ratings) before you look at the others.

Official Rating:
After a horse has had a few runs, it is given an official numerical value of how good it is, known as the official rating. Every time the horse runs, his performance will be assessed and the OR will go up or down, depending on how he ran. In theory, the higher the OR, the better the horse. If you check out the OR’s of the horses on the card, you can quickly assess the quality of the race.

This number is especially important in Handicap races. Make sure you check to see if a race is a handicap before you bet on it.

Handicap Races:
These are races where in theory, every horse is deemed to have an equal chance of winning. The way that they ensure a level playing field is by adding weight (lead in the satchel) to the better horses. The horses with the highest OR’s are deemed the better, so they will carry the most weight. The horses with the lower OR’s are deemed poorer horses, so they will carry less weight, to even out everyone’s chance of winning the race.


In Britain, the handicappers (the guys who create the OR’s) meet weekly, and there are a team of 6 to assess the flat horses, while 3 people assess the jumps. I’m not 100% sure what happens in Ireland, but I presume it is very similar.

A horses OR may often be refered to as his 'handicap' or his 'mark'

RPR’s (Racing Post Ratings)
These are private ratings which are compiled by the Racing Post newspaper. Some people use them, some don’t. Many people feel that RP rating are better than the OR’s because they are compiled on a daily basis, but remember, it is the OR’s that determine the weight in a handicap race, not the private Racing Post ones.

TS (Topspeed)
Again, these are private ratings compiled by the Racing Post newspaper which assess how well a horse does (speedwise). They give each horse a rating based on his speed. Variables such as course, distance and going will be taken into consideration when compiling this number.

Hope some of this helps.

knighted_1

there is a horse racing course that u can do part time in ucd and limerick i think which goes thru all aspects of horse racing everything u need to know thru lectures from handicappers noel obrien and co trainers racing officials bookmakers -one nite aweek for eight weeks with a day at the races thrown in and a stable visit about 110 euros

my brother done it last jan and he has come on in leaps and bounds

wb

knighted_1 wrote:

there is a horse racing course that u can do part time in ucd and limerick i think which goes thru all aspects of horse racing everything u need to know thru lectures from handicappers noel obrien and co trainers racing officials bookmakers -one nite aweek for eight weeks with a day at the races thrown in and a stable visit about 110 euros

my brother done it last jan and he has come on in leaps and bounds

Is the UCD one back on?

I enquired about it this year and they said it had been cancelled. Have you any links to the limerick one? Id actually travel to do that course.

Bluetonic

Little article about Kauto Star RPR after the weekend

KAUTO STAR'S annihilation of his rivals at Haydock on Saturday has rocketed his Racing Post Rating to within 5lb of the great Desert Orchid.

Racing Post jumps handicapper Steve Mason has the King George VI Chase favourite on a rating of 184 after his 17-length demolition of the Grade 1 Betfair Lancashire Chase field and is now placed behind only Desert Orchid on 189 and Carvill's Hill on 187.

Mason said: "I came to the rating of 184 through the form of the third horse L'Ami. He ran to a rating of 163 in both last season's Cheltenham Gold Cup and the Racing Post Chase, and I have him as running to that level again at Haydock.

"Beef Or Salmon who finished second has been allotted 164 which is 10lb below his best form on soft ground in Ireland, and five pounds below last year's performance in this racewhere he again finished second.

"The fourth horse home, Ollie Magern is quite difficult to assess. After his success in the Charlie Hall Chase last year where he was given a rating of 165 he lost the plot. He ran to a mark of 161 in the 2004 Hennessy and I have given him a similar mark for Saturday's performance.”

Mason added: "I have had to slightly revise Kauto Star's rating in the Old Roan Chase at Aintree last month. I did originally give him on a mark of 175 but I have raised him one pound to176. Armaturk who finished second ran to a mark of 146 which was consistent with the race he ran prior to that at Ayr last April. Although he did improved markedly to finish second behind Rubberdubber at Cheltenham last weekend.” Phil Smith, the BHB's senior jumps handicapper, has Kauto Star on 176 on official ratings, making him the best chaser in training and one of the best of the last decade.

Smith said: "In my ten years, the only horses I have had higher are Moscow Flyer, Azertyuiop and Well Chief.

"You have to be impressed with Kauto Star's performance. He is battle hardened, having won a Tingle Creek Chase and over Aintree's Mildmay course where the fences are quite tricky.

"His jumping in the Betfair Chase was sensational. L'Ami was the pick of the paddock and is very consistent - he ran to 158 four times last season and I don't see why he won't have run to that mark again.”

Smith added: "I went to 173 for Kauto Star after his victory in the Old Roan Chase because of doubts about what he had beaten, but Armaturk who finished second has come out and run well since. Kauto Star was visually impressive then and I would now rate that form 176.”

Kauto Star now bids to become the first horse to win the Betfair Million bonus for winning the Betfair Lancashire Chase, the King George VI Chase or Lexus Chase followed by the Cheltenham Gold Cup. He also leads the standings in BHB’s Order Of Merit competition for the 2006/7 season.

http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/master.sd?psection=racingpost.co.uk&page=News&category=News&story_id=864043

scojones

knighted_1 wrote:

there is a horse racing course that u can do part time in ucd and limerick i think which goes thru all aspects of horse racing everything u need to know thru lectures from handicappers noel obrien and co trainers racing officials bookmakers -one nite aweek for eight weeks with a day at the races thrown in and a stable visit about 110 euros

my brother done it last jan and he has come on in leaps and bounds

Limerick... interesting. I'd definitely go to that course if it was on. Any idea who I contact about this?

knighted_1

Mary FitzGerald
Director-UCD Horseracing Course
Tel: 01-432 1560
Mobile: 086-2520181

scojones

knighted_1 wrote:

sorry for not responding earlier i will get all the contact info and post tomorrow -didnt do it myself my brother did and he had a ball he now has a much better understanding of racing and what goes on

Cheers mate, drop us a PM with the info.

knighted_1

university of limerick
061-202700

this one is still running not sure about ucd the last one was started last jan for 10 weeks but a phone call will sort that out

scojones

Last year it ran from October 4th to December 6th. Lets hope it's not too late!