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With postion on an aggresive Lag

  • 13-11-2006 11:03am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭


    6 max Nl he .5-1
    So Villain is lag
    Vpip of 76% pfr of 25%

    I have postion on him playing VPip 17% pfr of 10%

    So i raise 4 times from lp and he has check raised my continuation bet 4 times I have folded 4 times

    When we play this hand
    Stack 150 villain covers
    Villain is in BB
    1 limper
    I make it 7 with AK from lp as he is calling all my raises villain calls limper folds
    Pot 15
    Flop K74 rainbow Villain checks I bet 12 Villain re-raises to 30 i call
    Pot 65
    turn 9 he open pushs I call he turns over QJ
    River upsets me greatly and i rebuy

    So now i know these re-raises are with any 2 cards how do we play the following 4 hands


    Hand 1
    Stacks 100 villain covers

    I make it 9 from Co with TT villain calls in blinds no other limpers
    Pot 19

    Flop KJ3 check check
    Turn 9 villain leads for 30


    hand 2
    Stack 130 villain covers
    I make it 8 from Button with A8 suited
    Villain and nobody call
    Pot 25
    Flop 987 Checked to me i bet 12 villain makes it 30 nobody folds


    hand 3
    Stacks me 100 villain covers
    I make it 8 from CO with JJ villain calls from blinds as does no hoper
    Pot 25
    flop 443 two tone
    checked to me i bet 15 Villain calls no hoper folds
    Pot 55
    Turn 8 completing the flush check check
    river 4 villain open pushs ?

    Hand 4
    Stack 100 villain covers
    I raise to 7 from Co with AK villain calls no other players
    Pot 14
    Flop 664 two tone I bet 12 villain makes it 25


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭BigCityBanker


    Hand 1 - Fold

    Hand 2 - I think I would call and reassess on the turn

    Hand 3 - Call

    Hand 4 - Push


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    hand 1 - call and call the river too
    Hand 2 - shove
    hand 3 - call
    hand 4 - check the flop, but you can call him down if you like (and have the intestinal fortitude for it).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭BigCityBanker


    fuzzbox wrote:
    hand 1 - call and call the river too

    Fuzzbox I understand that you are one of the best online cash players posting on boards but why oh why would you call down on hand 1 with 2 overcards on the board? At somepoints you are gonna have to believe this guy - is this not the occasion on which to believe? I am genuinely interested in your logic for this play. Maybe I have it all wrong but I would never dream of calling this hand down - I could never believe that I was ahead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    fuzzbox wrote:
    hand 1 - call and call the river too
    Hand 2 - shove
    hand 3 - call
    hand 4 - check the flop, but you can call him down if you like (and have the intestinal fortitude for it).
    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    Hand 1
    I folded Villain kindly showed t3

    hand 2 I pushed villain called with Q8

    Hand 3
    I called Villain tabled QQ for better house

    Hand 4 I pushed villain called with K7 fd

    Now playing this villain what would we suggest is the best strategy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭BigCityBanker


    What is Villians name?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    dont ever fold a made hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭Da GOAT


    why dont you post the HH saved on your hardrive instead of typing it out.

    easier to read and save you time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    What is Villians name?

    I will PM you he is Irish so might post/read here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Fuzzbox I understand that you are one of the best online cash players posting on boards but why oh why would you call down on hand 1 with 2 overcards on the board? At somepoints you are gonna have to believe this guy - is this not the occasion on which to believe? I am genuinely interested in your logic for this play. Maybe I have it all wrong but I would never dream of calling this hand down - I could never believe that I was ahead.

    You made a post in the thread about your bluff on the chief that I meant to respond to, basically I dont think realise quite how differently other people play poker to you (a commen ailment). You made a long argument as to why the chief should of folded, but the thing is you are missing the fact that he has top pair, he is a calling station and so underneath it all he wants to call. He may well fold the odd time, but its like trying to change the course of a river. The best way to play him is to never try and get him to fold. Similarly aggressive LAGs love to bluff, so you let them bluff. Hand 1 is a perfect time to call two bets from such a player. He will have you beat sometimes, but not often enough to make it unprofitable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Now playing this villain what would we suggest is the best strategy

    check fold when you miss, bet when you have a great hand and want a lot of action, check call when your hand is marginal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    check fold when you miss, bet when you have a great hand and want a lot of action, check call when your hand is marginal


    Seems pretty sound
    what about pre flop i didnt increase my raising range but increased my raise amount
    this seems pretty standard but hands like missed AK would we really check fold ? or would we open push here ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Hectorjelly


    Seems pretty sound
    what about pre flop i didnt increase my raising range but increased my raise amount
    this seems pretty standard but hands like missed AK would we really check fold ? or would we open push here ?


    depends on how big the pot is


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