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judo for self defense..

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭kenpo_dave


    dlofnep wrote:

    That was more Judo as part of self defense, as the guy did strike too. Sweet all the same :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    He used his judo grips to control him, and then smacked the dirt off his face with a beautiful throw!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭kenpo_dave


    dlofnep wrote:
    He used his judo grips to control him, and then smacked the dirt off his face with a beautiful throw!

    Its more MMA than solely Judo, theres clearly strikes. But as I said, its still cool.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    He never trained MMA in his life. That's pure judo and gut instinct.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭kenpo_dave


    dlofnep wrote:
    He never trained MMA in his life. That's pure judo and gut instinct.

    The guy is clearly hitting the other guy in the gutt before he throws him, and thats after several other strikes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭gymrabbit


    I think the young french chap has trained in judo a lot and has done a judo throw in a self defense situation quite well. I don't think any of the strikes showed evidence of skill so i presume he's not trained in a striking martial art.

    If this was an example of a boxer grabing one guy by the collar and punching his face in would it be example of mma or boxing? mma because he's doing some clinch and striking or boxing because well he's a boxer and he's boxing.

    I'm not sure what point DAve is trying to make. That the fight involved some punches and a throw so therefore not strictly judo. But the important part is a judo throw was done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭kenpo_dave


    The point Im trying to make is that the guy doesnt only use Judo. The throw is just the last thing he does before the fight is broken up. Trained or not, the guy is clearly using a combination of strikes and Judo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭gymrabbit


    But that's like saying he used a combination of athletics and judo and strikes because he was also walking around.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭kenpo_dave


    gymrabbit wrote:
    But that's like saying he used a combination of athletics and judo and strikes because he was also walking around.

    No its not. The guy in the clip got the throw after setting it up (intentional or not) by striking the other guy, which is why I said its more MMA than Judo.
    Anyway, is there any point in continuing this debate. I think we all agree that it still demonstrates that Judo is a very effective style.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Clive


    Clearly judo atemi waza!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭kenpo_dave


    Clive wrote:
    Clearly judo atemi waza!

    He must train in a very progressive Judo dojo if they actively train striking for use. I though atemi waza was only used in Kata?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭judomick


    Dave what martial art was he using when he was hitting the other guy? all of about 4 times


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭pma-ire




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭kenpo_dave


    judomick wrote:
    Dave what martial art was he using when he was hitting the other guy?

    'School-Yard Do' by the looks of things, but that doesnt mean anything. My original point was that he wasnt only using Judo. Its like saying 'look how effective Judo is in MMA competition' just because some fighter used a Judo throw. Its hard to see how effective Judo is in this clip because he was not only using Judo. If he hadnt been striking would he have been able to get the throw? He clearly hits the other guy twice in the gutt immediately before the throw. Is that not more like MMA than Judo?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭judomick


    Imo opinion if you really want to lable it call it street judo

    He had no clue how to strike, the main point of the fight was the judo throw, anyone can punch the way he did he trains for judo and he resorted to his judo to end a fight the strikes are a mute point. arguing between MMA or Judo is a little pedantic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    So we all agree, except Dave - Judo was used in self defense. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭pma-ire


    If he learnt to throw in Judo then OK!

    But there are many arts where he could learn that throw!

    He just pulled off a nice throw and was lucky enough to have someone there with a camera phone (by the looks of it??) to record it!! How lucky is that!!! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Ok, so we agree he threw him to defend himself.

    Such a simple thread can get far over-complicated on here :\


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭gymrabbit


    pma-ire wrote:
    If he learnt to throw in Judo then OK!

    But there are many arts where he could learn that throw!

    He just pulled off a nice throw and was lucky enough to have someone there with a camera phone (by the looks of it??) to record it!! How lucky is that!!! :D

    I'd bet you a 1000 euro he trains judo. There's a tiny chance it was sambo/greco/even aikido or bjj. But being french, and the grips, and the way he does it - spells out judo to me.

    There may be many arts that teach the shoulder throw, but few of them practice it to allow them to do it in that situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    gym rabbit ippon'd the correct.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭pma-ire


    gymrabbit wrote:
    I'd bet you a 1000 euro he trains judo. There's a tiny chance it was sambo/greco/even aikido or bjj. But being french, and the grips, and the way he does it - spells out judo to me.

    There may be many arts that teach the shoulder throw, but few of them practice it to allow them to do it in that situation.
    Your missing my point man!

    A throw by any other name is still a throw!!

    No need to get hung up on where it came from!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭gymrabbit


    I thought your point was we're not sure if he even was a judoka. I was just saying I'd be willing to bet 1000 euro that he was.

    A throw is just a throw is actually my point. Any jujutsu group can say they practice a throw like this but few of them train in a functional manner similar to judo.

    I don't practice judo atemi-waza and pretend I can strike as a result.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭kenpo_dave


    dlofnep wrote:
    So we all agree, except Dave - Judo was used in self defense. :)

    I already said that Judo was used in self defense. I also said that it wasnt only Judo that was used, which I think is important. How about we just drop this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭judomick


    Dave it was judo that was used thats the primary art, its what ended the fight, if there was a video of a wrestler in a streetfight and he executed a double leg and threw a few punches , it would be wrestling as SD

    The guy practices judo plain to see arguing over other names is silly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭pma-ire


    gymrabbit wrote:
    I thought your point was we're not sure if he even was a judoka. I was just saying I'd be willing to bet 1000 euro that he was.

    A throw is just a throw is actually my point. Any jujutsu group can say they practice a throw like this but few of them train in a functional manner similar to judo.

    I don't practice judo atemi-waza and pretend I can strike as a result.
    Thats cool :cool:

    No sweat!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Dave, IMO if he used judo at a level far beyond his striking abilities (which in my opinion he did) then it was Judo he used for self defence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭john kavanagh


    a good example of circumstances dictating tactics (blow before throw) but delivery systems remaining constant.

    the fact he hit that throw on a resisting opponent is down to his functional (sporting) training methods. not that he'd done scenario training with a sports bag on his bag ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭Millionaire


    NO NO NO !!!!! YOUR ALL WRONG!

    Because he hit first and then threw, it is definately Krav Maga, that throw is in KM! orange belt level.

    See it KM. I know it! (reel of BS)

    LOL!!!! who give an F*CK what it is, or what he trains it, it worked....thats what counts!!! guy dispatched attacker in a nice fashion, job done.

    anyway, that did not look too serious a fight to me, thats like something that used to happen round the back of school gym every thursday when I was 15, at secondary school.

    I knew traditional karate guys black belts whose style had a few throws, and they could throw you like a flash of lightining. I d seen one do it, after a brawl on a student nite at uni. same same nearly as the clip too same same situation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 93 ✭✭LukeyJudo22


    Sweet harai goshi! :D totally judo with school yard punches!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭47MartialMan


    I think that Judo can be used in self defense and in combination with anything else to be utilized. If a Judo practitioner has to defend themself and they use what they had trained, what would it matter if they use anything else reflexively?


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