UFC-A Hoax

47MartialMan

Could UFC be a hyped craze. A fad that may burn out?

But if you would read the rules, it has limited many particpants who are not grapplerss.

Fouls:
1. Butting with the head.
(Ive seen head butts by grapplers to weaken the opponent for easier submission.)

2. Eye gouging of any kind.
(Of course not. Limit another stand-up tactic)

3. Biting. (This would weaken the grappler)

4. Hair pulling.
(Ive seen hair pulling by grapplers to get a better hold over the opponent for easier submission.)

5. Fish hooking.
(????)

6. Groin attacks of any kind. (Ive seen this by grapplers to weaken the opponent for easier submission.)

7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. (????)

8. Small joint manipulation.
Too easy to control a grappler. Grappler train for large joints)

9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head. (When a grappler bends forward for the shoot, his head, back, spine is exposed. Limiting a striker's ability to stop the grab)

10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
(Per #9)

11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
(If a striker could do this, a grappler cannot keep hold)

12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
(Ditto all above)

13. Grabbing the clavicle.
(Dittoall above)

14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent. (Grappler is the first to go on the ground. Cannot strike in this manner or the grappler would get beat.)

15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
(#14)

16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
(#14-15)

17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
(Many times when a grappler haas shoulders on mat and egs up and around a opponent's arm, the opponet has a straight kick to the kidney)

18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. (Of course not-agrappler doesnt want to be wrestled)

19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
(No comment)

20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
(Yet a grappler can hold onto the slevvees and lapels?)

21. Spitting at an opponent.
(No comment)

22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
(Injury? Blood and arm locks not painful?)

23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.
(No commentary)

mickoo

It is a bit of a craze right now and i do believe the overall interest will fade away,apart from mma fighters who will always be interested-the grappling is just to scrappy looking to the untrained eye. but these rules are necessary as it's not a street fight and should be considered a sporting event-the stand up sports will always be better for audiences-boxing,kickboxing,k1 etc...

kenpo_dave

Most of the rules are there to protect the fighters. The strikes to the spine and back of the head are banned because they can cause permanent injury. Striking down with the point of the elbow to the back of the head could even kill. I take rule 22. to mean no intentionally breaking bones, tearing muscles and the like.

Having said that, I do think theres alot of hype about UFC that will die down a little in a few years. But UFC is here to stay IMO, so if you dont like it just ignore it.

Dragan

Most of the rules you have highlighted are just common sense. UFC has a ruleset for the sport that it emcompases, which is Mixed Martial Arts.

As such, it has a rule set that offers a large degree of safety to it's competitors.

To have legal throat strikes, biting, eye gouging, grabbing the clavicle ( one of the easiest bones in the body to break my friend ) would all take the fight from one level to another and would open up a large possibility for very serious injury.

Also, your point about 1,4,6 also seem to say that these limit grapplers, as opposed to stikers, and your point about 14 makes very little sense.

Generally, when a grappler goes to ground there opponent is under them, in side control or full mount or guard....they don't normally go to ground in a position where the opponent can soccer kick them.

Also, how often have you watched UFC? Are you familiar with the early days UFC as it can be good to watch both and make comparisons.....also....in a grappler friend ( by your standards ) UFC, the belt holders in 3 of the 4 divisions would be strong strikers.

Millionaire

UFC is very populat today.

Back in the 80s PKA Professional Karate Association (which is Full Contact Kickboxing) was on all sports TV networks all over the USA, with big Vegas promotions, TV etc... Famour fighter Benny uriquidez, Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. tons of MA mags covering the fighter rankings etc..loads of hype.

though back then of course, no internet and in ireland we have only 6 TV Channels, unlike the USA.

Big money on offer for fights (but of course not to match professional boxing).

Caught the tail end of a few of these shows in early 90s, Jean Yves Theriault who was 15 years updefeated middle weigth pro champ (I trained in his gym) Vs Rick Roufus (who later went into K1), in Montreal Ice Hockey Arena with about 50,000 people there.

Now there is not a word about this. it was popular for over 10 years an faded away.

UFC has a more of a show man element to it, with the music and all, so its done better.

Time will tell. It will fade from mass popularity back into a smaller marital arts orientated auidence, just like PKA did. the public are fickle.

47MartialMan

In case anyone had not descried, I have always look with detail into words.

How can something be labeled as "Ultimate" when there are regulations?

cmb.

47MartialMan wrote:

In case anyone had not descried, I have always look with detail into words.

How can something be labeled as "Ultimate" when there are regulations?

When the ufc first started in nov 1993 - there were only two rules - no biting or eye gouging - but everything else was allowed for the exact purpose of pitting fighters who represented styles against one another in what was meant to be a completely unbiased environment (yeah, before anyone starts - we all know about the reality of that) - and it did just what you say ufc doesnt do - the spectalce evolved into a sport - as the cliché goes into what we have today - something that allows multi-disciplines while allowing for athletic commission regulationing - the title of 'ultimate' stayed as that was the name put on this - but it did indeed come from true vale tudo (i.e anything goes in brazilian portuguese) - but yor posts seem to have a certain bias, if not outright distain, towards MMA in them (and mixed martial arts is a much better discription for the sport as it has evolved and as we know it today) - so whatever we say wont satisfy you i fear - but to get back to the use of 'ultimate' - its all about marketing and if a company feel that the sensationalism of calling it ultimate - or human cockfighting - or stating that fights can only end in submission, ko or death, will sell ppvs then they will very likely, and in the case of the ufc, will most definitely use it

Valmont

I think I've had enough of this guy. It's obvious he is trying to start another argument. Don't even try to argue with him because as soon as he can't think of anything to say he will revert to- 'speak like yoda I must, for talk like I want to my god given right is'.

How can someone be so wilfully ignorant as to repeatedly avoid telling anyone what martial arts he has studied (on a martial arts forum no less).

You clearly don't know anything about grappling, MMA or the UFC for that matter and if I may be so bold, you don't really know anything at all (except how to use a thesarus).

vasch_ro

47MartialMan wrote:

In case anyone had not descried, I have always look with detail into words.

How can something be labeled as "Ultimate" when there are regulations?

"marketing" it is called young padawan, free your mind of foolish impulse, be one with the force that is UFC

Tim_Murphy

Yawn. Why bother with clown guys?:rolleyes:

Roper

The truth Tim speaketh. My problem is that he keeps ressurecting old threads so old and relevant threads keep getting pushed to the bottom or even onto the next page.

Martial Man, get a job/girlfriend and stop posting so damn much.

Millionaire

UFC is a well run business machine, a company, whose goal is to make profit.

That Dana White certainly has the business smarts. I remembed on one UFC he made a comment "when we bought this company, we knew it had great potential"....

As much as I hate reality TV...the Ultimate Fighter was a brilliant idea, and just has helped pushed popularity.

It will be interesting to see in 5 years, as a mass TV spectator sport, will it be as popular, or will the public who watch/attend move on to something else.

Will the boys in the cage are beating the crap out of each other, Danas laughing all the way to the bank. Fair play to him, for taking UFC to global popularity.

vasch_ro

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Yawn. Why bother with clown guys?:rolleyes:

surely you meant tim.....

"Yawn. With clown guys why bother, hmm? ?"

vasch_ro

Valmont wrote:

- 'speak like yoda I must, for talk like I want to my god given right is'.

.

I think it's just that Yoda is old and wise and therefore speaks in a way that sounds like he's saying something much deeper than he actually is. Where Obi-Wan Kenobi said fatherly-advice things to Luke like "You must learn the ways of the Force", Yoda says "Learn the ways of the Force you must". The fact that you have to spend a little more time untangling that into normal English word order makes you think harder about what Yoda is saying -- or at least to notice that he did in fact say something, which thereby makes it seem more important than what Obi-Wan said.

vasch_ro

Valmont wrote:

- 'speak like yoda I must, for talk like I want to my god given right is'.

.

if you haven't already check out
http://www.yodaspeak.co.uk/
how about from now on we do the whole forum in yoda speak

"The whole forum in yoda speak, how about from now on we do. Yeesssssss.":D

sharpjaws

47MartialMan wrote:

5. Fish hooking.
(????)

= no pulling the mouth with fingers hooked .

47MartialMan wrote:

7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. (????)

= not allowed to wrestle with the cut ( dont put fingers in them)

47MartialMan wrote:

17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.

i think u are allowed to kick the body of an opponent when his down, just not with ur heels

Valmont

47MartialMan wrote:

17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.

When opponent in your guard is, kick with the heel to his back or kidneys you must not. For reference, royce gracie vs ken shamrock 1 you must watch.:p

47MartialMan

Roper wrote:

The truth Tim speaketh. My problem is that he keeps ressurecting old threads so old and relevant threads keep getting pushed to the bottom or even onto the next page.

Martial Man, get a job/girlfriend and stop posting so damn much.

I have both, the later a spouse with offspring.

Impedio spurius emoloere

47MartialMan

cmb. wrote:

When the ufc first started in nov 1993 - there were only two rules - no biting or eye gouging - but everything else was allowed for the exact purpose of pitting fighters who represented styles against one another in what was meant to be a completely unbiased environment (yeah, before anyone starts - we all know about the reality of that) - and it did just what you say ufc doesnt do - the spectalce evolved into a sport - as the cliché goes into what we have today - something that allows multi-disciplines while allowing for athletic commission regulationing - the title of 'ultimate' stayed as that was the name put on this - but it did indeed come from true vale tudo (i.e anything goes in brazilian portuguese) - but yor posts seem to have a certain bias, if not outright distain, towards MMA in them (and mixed martial arts is a much better discription for the sport as it has evolved and as we know it today) - so whatever we say wont satisfy you i fear - but to get back to the use of 'ultimate' - its all about marketing and if a company feel that the sensationalism of calling it ultimate - or human cockfighting - or stating that fights can only end in submission, ko or death, will sell ppvs then they will very likely, and in the case of the ufc, will most definitely use it

Nice elucidation.

However, what if someone came along a said they had "The Ultimate Martial Art". I surmise many here will dispute it somewhat. Understand the "play with word".

Tim_Murphy

However, what if someone came along a said they had "The Ultimate Martial Art". I surmise many here will dispute it somewhat.

Dude, you have obviously never heard of LUMA! :rolleyes: Ah newbies;)

47MartialMan

Tim_Murphy wrote:

Dude, you have obviously never heard of LUMA! :rolleyes: Ah newbies;)

LUMA?

Tim_Murphy

LUMA?

My point exactly.

47MartialMan

Tim_Murphy wrote:

My point exactly.

LUMA is a acronym for....???

cmb.

47MartialMan wrote:

LUMA?

Limerick Ultimate Martial Arts

47MartialMan

Tim_Murphy wrote:

My point exactly.

My point exactly.

I haven't heard of it how can it be "Ultimate":p

Larry David

47MartialMan wrote:

In case anyone had not descried, I have always look with detail into words.

How can something be labeled as "Ultimate" when there are regulations?

Because you're stupid? All of those things you highlighted are, as somone else pointed out, just common sense. DUH!

Dude, you have obviously never heard of LUMA

Why should anyone give a sh*t about some random bogger MMA fed? It's not just newbies who haven't heard of it - it's pretty much everyone!

gymrabbit

chillax dude.

47MartialMan

Talk about false advertising.
UFC = "Ultimate Fighting Constricted"

Dragan

47MartialMan wrote:

Talk about false advertising.
UFC = "Ultimate Fighting Constricted"

So what about Pride FC which i assume you have not heard of? I don't think they actually make a formal wager of pride before hand, so this is surely false advertising?

I suggest you simply do not watch what you don't want to watch mate, and cease subjecting the rest of us to your mindless rubbish!;)

Roper

I tell ya I watched that Ironside the other day, and the bloke in it DOESN'T HAVE AN IRON SIDE! What a joke, he's just in a poxy wheelchair. I'm starting a thread in the TV forums.

The Bored One

47MartialMan wrote:

Talk about false advertising.
UFC = "Ultimate Fighting Constricted"

Go watch Pride FC thoroughly. Then you may form an educated opinion on the subject of MMA. Till then, you're just shooting in the dark.

47MartialMan

Yes. I understand. Pride, Extreme, Hardcore, Tough Man, have a better title to event ratio than "Ultimate". The word "Ultimate" - what can be a higher standard as this?

Larry David

47MartialMan wrote:

Yes. I understand. Pride, Extreme, Hardcore, Tough Man, have a better title to event ratio than "Ultimate". The word "Ultimate" - what can be a higher standard as this?

hey - so when you turn 48, will your username be a farce?

hiromatsu22

My cats breath smells like cat food

47MartialMan

Larry David wrote:

hey - so when you turn 48, will your username be a farce?

What would it be a 51?

47MartialMan

hiromatsu22 wrote:

My cats breath smells like cat food

My dog likes cat poop

GalwayorBust

I'm laughing so hard right now my coworkers are all looking at me.

My question is this. Its easy to complain about what someone else is doing. Do you have any constructive feedback/suggestions? Why don't you start your own fight promotion? What would you rules be and why?:cool:

The Bored One

47MartialMan wrote:

Yes. I understand. Pride, Extreme, Hardcore, Tough Man, have a better title to event ratio than "Ultimate". The word "Ultimate" - what can be a higher standard as this?

Heh you are way to hung up on the titles. All they are is marketing, much the same as all martial arts tend to market themselves. Hell even the term self-defence is mostly a loaded worded used to attract a few punters these days.
How much time have you spent examining the actual compeitions themselves by the way?
Pride FC would still remain the best, regardless of if the title was Pride, Ultimate, Extreme, or Fluff Bunny Death Kill Fighting Championships.
I would so love to see a competition named that...

Tim_Murphy

Why should anyone give a sh*t about some random bogger MMA fed? It's not just newbies who haven't heard of it - it's pretty much everyone!

Well I've personally made millions off our DVD sales so I doubt that is true.

This thread just keeps getting funnier.

Fluff Bunny Death Kill Fighting Championships.

LOL

FiannaGym.com

Its so simple, most people here have a good grasp of English, enough to navigate the world successfully.

Martial Man clearly doesn't. So, it's quite simple. Language, like martial arts, constantly ebbs and flows, evolving and changing.

Furthermore, words are classified by context (obviously). For example, (I can't beleive I need to give one) "Fat", usually refers to the state of someone physically but when placed infront of "cat" it refers to someones lifestyle or financial status, again bound by context. "Ultimate" has a variety of meanings, when placed infront of "Fighting Championships" it has a very specific meaning. Most people with a grasp of English know this.

Aside from that moronic debate you asked about rules. As pointed out, the UFC didn't always have this set of rules. Vale Tudo still only has 2/3/4 rules.

Any "striker" who thinks these rules don't help them should fight with no rules, have a couple of rounds with a grappler and see how you get in.

Peace

47MartialMan

Fluff Bunny Death Kill Fighting Championships

Looks like something that should be included in a Monty Python Production.

47MartialMan

True UFC would be to have smaller guys go against much larger ones.

mikeruurds

This guy is a bad troll. He starts stupid discussions and then spams the rest of the thread with ****e.

The content of this forum has suffered greatly as a result of his regular posting.

I hope that he leaves soon and gives the guys who really know what they're talking about a chance to post without the constant thread derailment attempts.

Mike

damo

mikeruurds wrote:

This guy is a bad troll. He starts stupid discussions and then spams the rest of the thread with ****e.

The content of this forum has suffered greatly as a result of his regular posting.

I hope that he leaves soon and gives the guys who really know what they're talking about a chance to post without the constant thread derailment attempts.

Mike

Dont be too hard on him Mike, he obviously is just seeking attention. He must not get enough attention in his personal life and this is just how it manifests itself, quite sad really.

mikeruurds

Sorry damo

I spend too much time troll smiting over at bullshido.net.

Force of habit

Mike

47MartialMan

damo wrote:

Dont be too hard on him Mike, he obviously is just seeking attention. He must not get enough attention in his personal life and this is just how it manifests itself, quite sad really.

Hmnnnn. I get a lot of attention in my perosnal life-thank you.

47MartialMan

mikeruurds wrote:

Sorry damo

I spend too much time troll smiting over at bullshido.net.

Force of habit

Mike

Troll? Because I havent started a thread in yor interest?