The problem is that in ireland we don't want broadband.

watty

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/10/upc_broadband_numbers_rise/




Most of this I beleive is simply upgrading the network so that existing passed houses on TV can actually get Broadband. I don't believe it is quality of product or marketing.

They invest in making it more available and get 20% more customers. You listening DMCR and eircom and Comreg?

Liam Byrne

watty wrote:

They invest in making it more available and get 20% more customers. You listening DMCR and eircom and Comreg?

"If you build it, they will come".....an old adage that eircom would do well to consider.....

watty

Except because there is no sensible priced flat rate (= unlimited time in my dictionary) dialup, eircom lose money with users going to broadband?

Foxwood

watty wrote:

Except because there is no sensible priced flat rate (= unlimited time in my dictionary) dialup, eircom lose money with users going to broadband?

The number of saddos who spend more than 5 hours a day on dialup (for 30 euro a month) is tiny compared to the number of people who will pay 30 euro for broadband. And a line tied upon dialup isn't available to make phone calls.

The readership of this board may contain more than a few of the sort of weirdos who spend more than 5 hours a on dialup, but that's not a good model of the population in general.

Eircom generates more revenue from internet access (dialup and broadband) on an exchange after it enables DSL at that exchange than it generates from dialup alone.

watty

By that analysis they should make more effort. But think of all those band13 porn diallers they would lose income from?

bealtine

Foxwood wrote:

The readership of this board may contain more than a few of the sort of weirdos who spend more than 5 hours a on dialup

Wierdos or not some people still have no choice but to stay online on dialup for more than 5 hours a day.

Foxwood wrote:

Eircom generates more revenue from internet access (dialup and broadband) on an exchange after it enables DSL at that exchange than it generates from dialup alone.

Please explain your logic?

a line failure

I spend about €100/month on ISDN so IT no surprise eircom are dragging their feet.["useless capitalists"]

probe

The reality of their Chorus operation is much at variance with the corporate waffle!

In most parts of Cork city they have no broadband at all. Where they purport to have it, it generally doesn't work.

The choice of TV and radio channels is abysmal.

No HDTV. No VoD/NVoD. Low bitrates on SDTV.

A company stuck in the 1970s Ireland. Their billion € investment in modernisation is not credible or the money is being wasted because there is zero to show for it AFAICS.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055013583

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Foxwood

bealtine wrote:

Wierdos or not some people still have no choice but to stay online on dialup for more than 5 hours a day.

If you look closely, you'll find that there's no-one holding a gun to their heads. They do have a choice, and if they choose to be online for more that 5 hours a day, more power to them. It's their money, and they can spend it on whatever they like.

But an exchange with say 500 phone lines is unlikely to have more than a dozen such users (people who "don't have a choice"). If that exchange is DSL-enabled, the potential audience for broadband at 30-50 euro a month is considerably greater than than the audience for 150-hours a month dialup packages.

Anyone who thinks that eircom is losing money on dialup by converting 10's of thousands of users to fixed price monthly broadband plans must still believe in the easter bunny and the tooth fairy. Any losses it makes on the 10% of users with abnormal dialup usage is swamped by additional fixed monthly spend it gets from the 90% of "normal" users who wouldn't commit to spending 30 euro a month on dialup, but will commit to 30 euro a month for broadband.

Look on the bright side - you guys spending over a hundred a month on dialup really are "special".

tunes81

Have to agree to a certain point that Ireland doesn't want BB, the only thing that will get more people to use broadband is to have lower prices for broadband.

Another major factor is the lack of knowledge people have about broadband unless you can get broadband as easy as putting on your shoe then it will be lost on hundreds of thousands of people.

Also I've heard dozens of stories where people can't get broadband but their neighbours can and i don't mean neaighbours 300 yards away i mean next door neighbours, the lines are just too dodgy in places. I know a guy who called eircom and couldn't get broadband then called BT and they came out upgraded the line coming into his house, bingo! broadband!

watty

Your sarcasim detector is broken.

Survey after survey shows that a slim majority of those that seek broadband can't get it at all, or dsl line test fails (= same thing for customer).
A minority of the schools have dsl. Nearly half have Satellite.

Proportion of premises with phone lines is falling due to high line rental.

Certain operators have created the impression that Wireless is not a viable solution for buisness.

The point is that a commpany with currently problems on its service (peering via London or Amsterdam) and in throes of network upgrade and only much marketing it's TV has 20% growth in the areas that eircom tell us have DSL and that don't want it. The reality is that even in Dublin a very high proportion of lines fail and a significant number of people use mobiles only to avoid the high line rental (thus can't avail of dsl BB).

It's time eircom and our State bodies stopped fudging the statistics and blaming the customer.