SANS Dublin 2007

Static M.e.

Just browing for a Sec Course and found this golden nugget!!

http://www.sans.org/dublin07/?portal=6ae94ac335963a5897f07c146e8159d4

Dublin, Ireland - April 16 - 21, 2007

SEC401: SANS Security Essentials Bootcamp
SEC503: Intrusion Detection In-Depth
SEC504: Hacker Techniques, Exploits & Incident Handling

Now just need somone to pay for it! any takers?

Martyr

you know, its great having certificates like these from sans under your belt when applying for a job, but they're grossly overpriced, especially for the content in them.

the way i see it, if you've got the cash, you can get "certified" in any subject you want these days & get a job in something you know virtually nothing about.
So long as you have these bits of paper, it really doesn't matter.

you could say i'm a begrudger because i can't afford to do the courses, but its the truth.
even SOME of the people teaching the content don't know that much themselves..but thats life :P

i realise there is the self-study option as NutJob mentioned in previous posting, which is much cheaper.
But again, i can only say that the paper is what counts, money for the certificate, certificate for the dream job.
it seems that actual skill or knowledge is irrelevant.

Static M.e.

Yes I agree with alot of what you said, but from what I know the SANS certs are different to the norm and are basically based on alot of practical work.

Do get the GIAC exam you have to write a paper on some Task of relevant IT they give you and they grade you that paper.

Plus I would be VERY surprised if the SANS people didnt know their stuff for me they would be at the Top of the Cert ladder both interms of the content they deliver and the high score for passing they exam.

I know we had a SANS course before XMAS a link was posted in this forum, it would be great to hear from anyone who attended this course for some first hand knowlegde of the Technical level of that course.

I can't afford to attend this course either without another loan but I really think I might just do it anyway its meant to be that good.

hmmm

SANS are the real deal in security certs, you get what you pay for. They are unfortunately not very well recognised in Ireland, so they may not help you a great deal in most interviews. Where the interviewer does know of SANS, they will usually be ranked miles ahead of the the CEH type nonsense.

hantakage

Static M.e. wrote:

I know we had a SANS course before XMAS a link was posted in this forum, it would be great to hear from anyone who attended this course for some first hand knowlegde of the Technical level of that course.

Speaking as one of the Mentors for that class, we had 5 people at it, and it went down quite well. We're looking to run another mentor program in the SANS Hacker Exploits and Incident Handling course (more details later).

The SANS course themselves I find are very good, they give good practical information to the Student. Some of the other courses I've seen tend to be a bit theoretical. In the classes we did our best to constantly show practical examples of how the various attacks work. Maybe its just me but I find it a lot easier to understand something like Buffer Overflows if someone shows me how to do one step-by-step on a real world application, than trying to read it from some notes.

I'd definitely recommend anyone who can afford the week longs course in april (or who can swing it with their boss) to go along. I can say that impartially as well as I won't be involved in the running of it, although I might go along to see the Intrusion Detection stuff.

Martyr

hantakage wrote:

Maybe its just me but I find it a lot easier to understand something like Buffer Overflows if someone shows me how to do one step-by-step on a real world application, than trying to read it from some notes.

definitely, practical is better.
theory is important, but sometimes too much is boring.