Aces at the races

ChipLdr

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Hero:seat 1 with $108.35

Button sitting in seat 4 with $40.00 [Dealer]

BB sitting in seat 6 with $49.00

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with :ad :ah
Hero raises to $2, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB raises to $3, Hero raises to $14, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: :2d :qs :qd ($46, 3 players)
BB bets $9.5, Hero?

I'm raising here(good or bad) but for how much?

Lafortezza

What are starting stacks?

valor

Stacks are important but I would just call here if 100bb

ChipLdr

my bad....added stacks both players are fairly solid from what i've seen.

Lafortezza

I'd try to get all in here most of the time. So either push now or call and get it in on the turn.

Ste05

I'd check here, it's the usual old problem, where you're either miles behind or miles ahead, so let someone else put their money in first, they'll bet with a weaker hand than you, but *might* not call with a weaker hand. Basically a bet now will turn your hand into a bluff.

EDIT: Missed the BB leading out.

Ye, I'd just call here too.

ChipLdr

My concern with calling here is that it prices in every hand that needs to draw.With the button still to act behind me he is getting nearly 7/1 on his money to call.

Of course I agree with you that its the miles ahead/behind scenario so i'm just looking for everybodys insight.

Is raising the flop bad play?

Hectorjelly

ChipLdr wrote:

Is raising the flop bad play?

Theres a flush draw there so it depends on how worried you are about that.

Ste05

BTW, how was the BB allowed to raise to $3, you raised it to $2 (i.e. a $1.50 raise) then he raised it to $3 (i.e. a $1 raise)??

Anyway back to the hand:

There’s only one other player in the hand and we have the Ad, so I’d be less worried about the flush draw, as not many suited d’s are going to be in a re-re-raised pot. Here’s a few scenarios to think about:
If say you call here and the button also calls, if the turn brings another diamond and the BB leads weakly again, you can call having the Ad and you might still be ahead anyway.
If on the other hand you call here, the button raises, and the BB puts any more money into the pot then you can also safely fold.
If you call and the button folds, the turn brings a blank, then you can play the hand accordingly, if checked to, sometimes bet, (his weak flop lead might have been to get to the river cheap) sometimes check to allow him to bluff the River again. It’d all depend on what sort of player he was. If he leads again it’ll be All-In and so decide to call or not based on history with the opponent.

Raising the flop isn’t great because it doesn’t really accomplish anything, the BB’s lead is usually either a little tickler bluff type bet or a monster, raising lets him safely fold his tickler and graciously go All-In with his monster. Therefore allowing him to play perfectly. The button is obviously a complete donkey after cold calling twice, god knows what he has but I’m just going to discount him as a monkey and prey he doesn’t have KQ, but he’s not getting me off the hand at all.

ChipLdr

Must be a problem with the hand converter Ste05.The reraise was to $3.50 Preflop.

Ok so i call the weak lead bet and Button pushes for his remaining $26 or so. BB Flat calls.

Theres now $100 in the pot with me needing to call $14 approx and the BB has left himself ith $10.

So do i flat call/push/fold?

Ste05

Well you can consider his extra $10 in the pot now (just guaranteed implied odds). So it's basically $24 to win $110, or about 4.5:1, so I'd call just for the odds, and hope the BB has KK and the donkey has some other mad holding, failing that hope we hit runner runner flush... and they don't hit a house or already have quads (which I have a terrible feeling the BB has)

cardshark202

At this stage the pot is so big and they are probably muppets so just get it in and hope for the best. I would have just called the weak lead too unless I knew he was the type of player to weak lead on flush draws only(which happens quite a lot).