U ever fold AAxx in pot limit omaha?

luckylucky

I'm inclined 2 play any had in omaha when i have 2 aces - no matter what the action - I'll limp with them in early or mid position, normally raise with them in late position if xx are anyway reasonable , i.e maybe a 2nd pair or 2 high consecutive cards or 1 of the aces is suited.

Now as all of u plo players know AAxx is not a major reason for celebrating - not unless the xx contributes also i.e. the aces are double suited or maybe it's AAKK, AAQQ etc.

So basically my question is would u ever fold AAxx where xx is crap like 82 or s.thng. Obviously if u r shortstacked if u can manage 2 get most of ur chips in b4 da flop u would do so.

I mean if the board misses u, which a big majority of the time it will do, ur going to have to lay this hand down nearly all of the time, and of course if ur opposition is good they might not pay u off the times u hit ur set, and even then there's no guarantee that ur set will hold up to flush and/or straight draws.

I'm thinking maybe I would b better off folding these hands in early position and maybe even in late position if the action and stack amounts dictate it!?

cardshark202

No. Never fold them.

ianmc38

I usually limp when there's 2 danglers like 27/38/29 etc. I'll raise in LP with them though, as I will with many hands.

Are you playing full ring or 6 max?

NickyOD

I folded them once because this guy was so tight I knew he had the other Aces and my danglers were ****e. He got it all in with another player. I think he had AAJ9ds and the other muppet won with QQxx and would have busted the two of us.

eoghan104

Id fold them in a big multiway pot when the chances are the other 2 are out there.

Reggie, u never fold them?

Your under the gun 6 handed and you raise with AA85........

next to act pots it and gets 2 callers then the tight Big blind re pots it? u really not folding OOP here with 3 players behind? I am every time.

bohsman

I folded them once and 2 aces came on the flop, never again.

cardshark202

eoghan104 wrote:

Id fold them in a big multiway pot when the chances are the other 2 are out there.

Reggie, u never fold them?

Your under the gun 6 handed and you raise with AA85........

next to act pots it and gets 2 callers then the tight Big blind re pots it? u really not folding OOP here with 3 players behind? I am every time.

well i may not raise with AA85 UTG. Anyway I dont openfold them and its very rare that such a situation arises.

Flipper

Probably best if I don't get involved in this discussion :rolleyes:

luckylucky

ianmc38 wrote:

I usually limp when there's 2 danglers like 27/38/29 etc. I'll raise in LP with them though, as I will with many hands.

Are you playing full ring or 6 max?

Mostly full ring but some 6 max, in 6 max i think i'm not folding em 4 sure.

I'm kinda surprised I have 2 say I had a feeling when I posed da question that people would b telling me what r u doing calling with AArag rag utg etc. but the universal opinion it seems that it's ok to do so.

I had a case today where I had a lag on my immediate left - not a good place 4 him be 4 me - he wasn't a total maniac though i've played against him a few times b4 and he can be dang after da flop - he was raising a helluva lot, from all sorts of positions, I'm just thinking with a hand like AA82 if u call b4 flop and he inevitably raises - if u re-raise u telegraph that u have AA and still have 2 much of ur stack left 2 risk it, if u flat call and there's a few players there ur basically relying on an ace hitting odds of s.thng like 8:1 if i rem right. and also da flat call here gives ur opponenets a strong suspicion of what u have - would i better off 2 u think folding in this spot or do u still think I should call?

cardshark202

luckylucky wrote:

Mostly full ring but some 6 max, in 6 max i think i'm not folding em 4 sure.

I'm kinda surprised I have 2 say I had a feeling when I posed da question that people would b telling me what r u doing calling with AArag rag utg etc. but the universal opinion it seems that it's ok to do so.

I had a case today where I had a lag on my immediate left - not a good place 4 him be 4 me - he wasn't a total maniac though i've played against him a few times b4 and he can be dang after da flop - he was raising a helluva lot, from all sorts of positions, I'm just thinking with a hand like AA82 if u call b4 flop and he inevitably raises - if u re-raise u telegraph that u have AA and still have 2 much of ur stack left 2 risk it, if u flat call and there's a few players there ur basically relying on an ace hitting odds of s.thng like 8:1 if i rem right. and also da flat call here gives ur opponenets a strong suspicion of what u have - would i better off 2 u think folding in this spot or do u still think I should call?

You should 3-bet more often preflop.

Goodluck2me

Flipper wrote:

Probably best if I don't get involved in this discussion :rolleyes:

lol, wp

luckylucky

cardshark202 wrote:

You should 3-bet more often preflop.

I like - yeah prob dont do this often enuf, will start doing it more.

bohsman

Also play big hands like 89TJ similarly so that you dont make it too obvious

luckylucky

bohsman wrote:

Also play big hands like 89TJ similarly so that you dont make it too obvious

Yeah as it is I always raise with those types of hands from late position but I haven't been 3 betting them - if it's raised b4hand I normally just call - maybe as cardshark suggested I should b 3 betting them at least some of the time also.

bohsman

AAragrag off suit arent worth the cards theyre written on OOP in a multiway pot tbh. Its like a small pair in holdem - set value only. If its looking like a 3 way all in I would say you would be a big underdog to better AAxx and a big drawing hand or 2 big drawing hands so would fold preflop.

cardshark202

bohsman wrote:

AAragrag off suit arent worth the cards theyre written on OOP in a multiway pot tbh. Its like a small pair in holdem - set value only. If its looking like a 3 way all in I would say you would be a big underdog to better AAxx and a big drawing hand or 2 big drawing hands so would fold preflop.

I think as long as you're double suited you should never be folding, single or unsuited it is still very rare to fold them.

kpnuts

The time I came closest to folding the AAxy in PLO (for the reasons outlined by bohsman) was the time I won the biggest pot I ever won on PLO. I limp-reraised holding AA72 (no suits) with 3 others behind me, next player rereraised, then total rock bumped it again. I almost folded but at the last moment closed my eyes and pushed all in. Up against 2 massive drawing hands and AA97 double suited (yes, total rock had me totally dominated!) but i took down the pot with 77722 FH. I am a truly terrible PLO player.

luckylucky

kpnuts wrote:

The time I came closest to folding the AAxy in PLO (for the reasons outlined by bohsman) was the time I won the biggest pot I ever won on PLO. I limp-reraised holding AA72 (no suits) with 3 others behind me, next player rereraised, then total rock bumped it again. I almost folded but at the last moment closed my eyes and pushed all in. Up against 2 massive drawing hands and AA97 double suited (yes, total rock had me totally dominated!) but i took down the pot with 77722 FH. I am a truly terrible PLO player.

lol if that didn't tilt da rock nothigng would

ianmc38

Flipper wrote:

Probably best if I don't get involved in this discussion :rolleyes:

I think we'd all be interested to know your opinion on this as its a scenario that arises alot for me anyways.

Goodluck2me

ianmc38 wrote:

I think we'd all be interested to know your opinion on this as its a scenario that arises alot for me anyways.

afaik this comment was in jest after the berating he got for folding AA in holdem 3 handed. afaik hes a pretty good omaha player though so input would be a help all right.