Another hand from 200 Game

DeadParrot · 06-11-2006 5:08pm #1

Just some thoughts on this hand would be welcome

Very early in the night
Hero 8,500
villain 8000

Blinds 50/100

Hero gets Jc5s in the BB
Villain is UTG+1 limps
Folded around
SB completes and Hero Checks

Flop comes Xc Ac 5c
SB checks, Hero checks, Villain bets 200
SB Folds
Hero Calls (comments?)
Turn
5d
Hero Checks
Villain Bets 300
Hero Raises to 600 (Comments?)
Villain Ponders, wonders do I have the clubs, tells me I might regret it and calls
River blank
Hero Checks
Villain bets 600

Hero?

Comments on plays on all streets please.

Hectorjelly · 06-11-2006 5:19pm

Why did you play the hand like that? You must realise that you will get a chorus of people telling you not to check minraise the turn. Do you really need to post the hand to be told that? Also the flop call is very odd/bad without a read.

El Stuntman · 06-11-2006 5:22pm

I reckon the real Norweigan Blue would have played this in a less bizarre way

DeadParrot · 06-11-2006 5:22pm

I'll post explanations later HJ

El Stuntman · 06-11-2006 5:28pm

DeadParrot wrote:

I'll post explanations later HJ

villain's identity would be a start?

seriously though, an insight into your thoughts would be interesting (genuinely not trying to be smart)

cardshark202 · 06-11-2006 5:33pm

This looks ugly

5starpool · 06-11-2006 5:54pm

I was amazed at the way you played this hand and thought your opponent might as well have signposted what he had with his speechplay

MrPillowTalk · 06-11-2006 7:48pm

villain is liam flood

BigCityBanker · 06-11-2006 8:12pm

Can I ask why Liam Flood is a respected pro? I played a few times with him and I cant say he did anything to have me quaking? I laid down AJ to a 3/4 pot bet on a AXX board one night and he asked me was I stupid - telling me that he would have went broke on that hand with my holding (villian tabled AQ :rolleyes: ).

Ste05 · 06-11-2006 8:18pm

BigCityBanker wrote:

Can I ask why Liam Flood is a respected pro?

These links might shed a little light on the matter...

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=258

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/rank.php?a=r&n=138

BobSloane · 06-11-2006 8:33pm

Hate playing these hands out of position. On the flop you have bottom pair(?)and the third nut flush draw. Not a super situation and I'm probably getting away from it here as i've nothing invested but my BB.
I don't think the call here is too bad though. On the turn your hand improves but not good enough to check-raise . I would just call here again - even though I feel your hand is winning but I'd be very 50/50. He's suggesting he's got the house already but he may just be messing with your head. At the end he's betting 600 into a 1900 pot I think. If you had the flush here would you bet? Would you call a re-raise? Would you check and ponder over whether he has the full house when he bets? Pot would only be 1300 without your raise and you may get to check down the river or see it cheaper. He may well have A10 or similar. As the hand did develop I'm calling the bet on the river. Pot is paying more than 4-1 and I'm not 80% sure you're beat. I know this is calling station play which i hate but when I'm significantly unsure and getting 4-1 from the pot, I usually call.

I find these hands very difficult to play out of position and in an unraised pot I try not to get too much money in which could be drawing semi-dead or dead on the flop.

ianmc38 · 06-11-2006 8:36pm

Ste05 wrote:

These links might shed a little light on the matter...

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=258

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/rank.php?a=r&n=138

Lol.

LuckyLloyd · 06-11-2006 9:07pm

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DeadParrot · 06-11-2006 10:01pm

5starpool wrote:

I was amazed at the way you played this hand and thought your opponent might as well have signposted what he had with his speechplay

Right so, general consensus is it was a donkey play, and I'd have to agree.

Here is why I did it.

I'm a donkey

That was my 1st tourney in a casino ever, and I felt I was being pushed around a little, and felt a bit insecure in what I was doing, hence the crappy little check raise. As soon as he said what he said I knew i was way behind and too be honest the reason for the call was so I could get a feel for a full round(I know I know), also, this sounds stupid, I wanted to show the table I wasn't afraid to mix it up and I wasnt intimidated by my surroundings or by getting involved with a known 'face'. Now I realize this is dumb, it showed my fishyness to the table

I called the river 600, there was no way in hell I was going any more, I was priced into the call on the river.
Tbh, at the time I wasnt worried about the call on the flop at all, at the time I felt alright (not great) with middle pair and the flush draw which I suppose shows my inexperience.

I actually think this hand helped me from then on. It gave me a feel for what I was doing.

I know Im not really making much sense here.

results: Liam turned over AA for the house

MrPillowTalk · 06-11-2006 10:46pm

Alot of people dont like Liam because he can be fairly abrasive, I like him though he has some great stories and tells them well.

5starpool · 06-11-2006 11:04pm

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Alot of people dont like Liam because he can be fairly abrasive, I like him though he has some great stories and tells them well.

Last Friday was the first time I played with him, and I had heard that he can be ocerly aggressive very hard to play unless you are willing risk all your chips but I thought he played in a thoughtful, even semi conservative manner, especially considering how I though he was going to play.

That said Deadparrot, I played a hand against him horribly too, so I am not exactly preching from within an unbroken glasshouse either.

Gholimoli · 06-11-2006 11:26pm

DeadParrot wrote:

Right so, general consensus is it was a donkey play, and I'd have to agree.

Here is why I did it.

I'm a donkey

That was my 1st tourney in a casino ever, and I felt I was being pushed around a little, and felt a bit insecure in what I was doing, hence the crappy little check raise. As soon as he said what he said I knew i was way behind and too be honest the reason for the call was so I could get a feel for a full round(I know I know), also, this sounds stupid, I wanted to show the table I wasn't afraid to mix it up and I wasnt intimidated by my surroundings or by getting involved with a known 'face'. Now I realize this is dumb, it showed my fishyness to the table
I called the river 600, there was no way in hell I was going any more, I was priced into the call on the river.
Tbh, at the time I wasnt worried about the call on the flop at all, at the time I felt alright (not great) with middle pair and the flush draw which I suppose shows my inexperience.

I actually think this hand helped me from then on. It gave me a feel for what I was doing.

I know Im not really making much sense here.

results: Liam turned over AA for the house

i know exactly how you feel.
the first time i was ever in a casino was SE as well when they first ran the 500 event.
i was at table one with Sean Murphy and Andy Black.
i made a mess of almost every hand i played and them slagging me wasnt making it any better.
i eventually called an all in bet with a gutshot just to get out of there.
man it was ugly...

Hectorjelly · 07-11-2006 11:48am

DeadParrot wrote:

I'm a donkey

Liam played it badly as well if its any consolation

ollyk1 · 07-11-2006 12:02pm

Hectorjelly wrote:

Liam played it badly as well if its any consolation

According to dom's report on the speech play he may as well have turned his cards face up. He was lucky to find the one live newbie at the table to pay him off.

"Have you got the flush?" on a paired board I thought that one went out with the ark!! lol