KK In 3 bet pot OOP vs 2 callers

valor

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.comFlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Plain Text)

Button ($600)
Hero ($638.30)
BB ($642.35)
UTG ($675.69)
MP ($528.62)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ks, Kh. Hero posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises to $33.07, 2 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $92, BB calls $89, UTG calls $61.93.

Flop: ($285) Qs, 3c, Ts (3 players)

I have no stats on these guys and given that I datamine religiously it means they have almost definitely never played this game before
The BB cold call scared the [censored] out of me. Is it still an easy bet on the flop?

Anyway : what I did

Hero bets $180, BB calls $180, UTG calls $180.

Turn: ($825) 6d (3 players)

WOAH. Wtf do these guys have? now the pot is huge and i have like 350 so I have to shove it right?

fuzzbox

I cant imagine you being ahead.
Usually the BB cold calling a raise+reraise and a subsequent Q-Tx flop means very bad things for you.

valor

So do you check this flop?

As played check fold?

NickyOD

I actually don't see how you can fold now. Seeing as this is Party Poker I think you will be up against muppets with AK/AQ/JJ even AJ or some kind of flush draw often enough to just stick it in here. You see all kinds of garbage calling big re-raises at these stakes on Party and I think a set will raise this draw heavy flop more often than not.

FullOf..IT

im pushing here but im on tilt. BTW wot u using to datamine?

fuzzbox

valor wrote:

So do you check this flop?

As played check fold?

This is certainly a horrible spot.
I often go broke, but I am rarely ahead here. One cold caller of an SB re-raise from the BB who subsequently calls on a QTx flop ... and an overcall.

Really, I cant see how I can be ahead.

That said, I prolly stick it in to be shown AA from the BB and TT from the other guy .

valor

FullOf..IT wrote:

im pushing here but im on tilt. BTW wot u using to datamine?

Depends on which site. At party I use Idleminer. See the 2+2 software forum

valor

FWIW I dont expect to see AA from the BB very much. I think if he plays it like that preflop [which unknowns arent likely to do imo - 4 bet is much more likely] - then he will shove the flop after my cbet

If BB has me beaten its QQ/10s

valor

double post of above, NVM

cardshark202

I re-raise more preflop. Make it about 115. I like a flop check vs unknowns.
As played, I don't see how you can fold now, so I just shove now. Was thinking about check-calling, but you might lose value from some stationish draw hands or top-pair hands.

eggie

Think the only hand you are behind here is AA. If they have a set they prob would have re-raised to protect against draws. tricky

valor

Yeah I should have made it more preflop, I just made a standard 3 bet without considering that the guy open riasing to 33

Check the flop with what intenion if it goes BB bet MP fold?
Or BB check MP bet?

Goodluck2me

i push here too. even thought i have no experience at this level, i can see how you would be up against a flush draw and maybe AQ often enought to be be ahead. the guy last to act on the flop is getting great value for that call so could be on a wide-ish range. 180 for 640 is good enought for a wide draw.

pok3rplaya

I can c/f here. Even with the pot size I cant imagine how you are not totally pwned by at least one of these guys.

cardshark202

valor wrote:

Yeah I should have made it more preflop, I just made a standard 3 bet without considering that the guy open riasing to 33

Check the flop with what intenion if it goes BB bet MP fold?
Or BB check MP bet?

I probably try and c/c my whole stack here, maybe folding the odd time.

valor

Anyway, I shoved and got called in both spots by AQ and JJ

Ship it.

cardshark202

easy money

gosplan

valor wrote:

Anyway, I shoved and got called in both spots by AQ and JJ

Ship it.

You shoved, someone called with AQ and then someone else called for about $300 with JJ on a q 10 X X board???

Man am I playing at the wrong levels

Goodluck2me

valor wrote:

Anyway, I shoved and got called in both spots by AQ and JJ

Ship it.

i should play 3-6 note my advise above