Crazy Lag

ChipLdr

playin a lag 25/.50 NL

STATS 68/42 from 80 hands


Stacks hero $98
Villian $200

Lag makes it 1 to go on button. I flat call in Sb with AQ.He calls with any 2 cards so raising is not a good idea IMO. flop comes 3 clubs AK4 I have the Q of clubs.I pot it,He calls Turn is a K. I pot it $9 he reraises to $18.

I Flat call. River is a blank. I check he pushes.I?????????

FoxRiver8

Toughie. He either has fresh air or the nuts, but i'd have tried to control the pot a little better, maybe lead the flop for a little more, check-call the turn, check-call/fold the river maybe. He could v well have the K, although i'd be inclined to think the min-reraise on the turn is a complete bluff. Either way looks like you're faced with a poxy decision for all ur stack. Fold grudgingly or call reluctantly i guess, really i wouldnt know which i'd do

Rb

I'd fold.

fuzzbox

What did you pot the turn for?

30something

I think you need to play your good hands against a LAG aggressively. Here you have AQo in the SB. LAG min raises from the button wich is probably a sloppy steal attempt. You will be out of position rest of hand.

First thing to do is RERAISE pre flop. If you win the hand now happy days and he's got a spanking.

If he calls, with the three clubs on flop on A high flop, the pot sized bet is perfect. I imagine you are miles ahead at this point and his call is probably because of his position. Because he doesn't re-raise you at this point he's almost certainly on a draw. If he had a hand he should re-raise you to get you off a club draw.

The 2nd K on the turn is a bit of a worry. Your bet here is a little big IMO. His min re-raise at this point is also a little scary and now he's representing a K. You have the nut flush draw, I reraise AI here and close my eyes

fuzzbox

30something wrote:

I think you need to play your good hands against a LAG aggressively.

You dont have a good hand.

valor

Betting that turn card is really bad

As played you have to fold.

valor

30something wrote:

I reraise AI here and close my eyes

Re raising all in here is absolute spew, aswell as being a huge overbet

ChipLdr

fuzzbox wrote:

What did you pot the turn for?

I potted the turn for $9 Fuzz. My thinking was that if I check and he bets then i'm getting less information than if I bet out. The Min raise on turn said King to me and i was folding a non club/Ace river but the push on the river got me thinking then. I was also afraid that if i checked the turn then the villlian would make it overly expensive on the turn to see river whether he had the King or not so in some way i wanted to control the betting.

First thing to do is RERAISE pre flop. If you win the hand now happy days and he's got a spanking.

Reraising a Lag with an unmade hand OOP is very -EV. If you miss the flop which you will the majority of times you're really on a total bluff from then on if you wish to continue with the hand.Since the LAG will call the reraise anyway its better to have a hand first.

RoundTower

ChipLdr wrote:

Reraising a Lag with an unmade hand OOP is very -EV. If you miss the flop which you will the majority of times you're really on a total bluff from then on if you wish to continue with the hand.Since the LAG will call the reraise anyway its better to have a hand first.

I think you don't really understand poker. Is this guy a maniac? Then make it $10 to go preflop and get it all in on flop or turn.

ChipLdr

RoundTower wrote:

I think you don't really understand poker. Is this guy a maniac? Then make it $10 to go preflop and get it all in on flop or turn.

Cant agree with this at all.This is how i used to play unmade hands until i relaised how much iwas leaking doing so. If i miss the board(which i will the majority of times) i've just lost $10 and continuation bets against a LAG like this are not wise as he'll call you down with bottom pair.

Of course in position i'd raise it up but OOP with AQ this is simply a call and then make a decison on flop if i hit.

BobSloane

Against a lag I think you have to re-raise pre flop. Its heads up - its a big hand.
However when u don't raise you get a second chance with the perfect flop. You've showed no strength before the flop and you know the lag is going to bet or call if you bet. You should check the flop here and hope he makes a decent size bet - whcih he should as a lag. Then you check- raise him a big amount. You've got probably the best hand and definetly the best draw at this point. Make him make the difficult decision. If he makes the wrong decision and out draws you at this point thats bad luck. You got your money in good. With just a K he'll probably fold. He could have raised you with 8 9 clubs and hit the monster. You're still drawing to beat him. The big decision point in this hand is the flop and you sold yourself short betting into him.

Or that could be way off the mark lol

TacT

fold

LuckyLloyd

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ChipLdr

LuckyLloyd wrote:

This is not a steal attempt. Nobody would (or should) look to steal blinds in a .25 / .50 cash game. The raise will mean that the villian has a stronger than average to very strong hand, or likes his hand for whatever reason and wishes to generate a bigger pot and increase the potential gain available.

However, as far as the OP is concerned - I do believe your pre - flop thinking is wrong here. What the stats tell us is that this guy has played about 56 of his last 80 hands, raising nearly half the time he enters a pot. Now, it is possible that he is running roasting hot over 80 hands - it is a tiny sample after all. Nonetheless, these numbers indicate that his range is really wide.

Therefore, AQ is doing very well against the potential raising range of the villian. It is probable that you have the best hand. Therefore you should raise. Make it between 6 and 10 and establish yourself as the aggressor in the hand. If he calls, then you can bet out for 10 - 15 off the flop. I think this strategy would make the hand easier to play as it would define the villian's counter actions more - making your decisions clearer and easier.

As it goes, it seems that you are going to lose your stack by making a crying call. I wouldn't - it looks like he could reasonably have K / anything. As played, fold.

Building a pot OOP with an unmade hand against a LAG is asking for trouble. Since he's calling the bet anyway we have to hit the flop or as stated above from then on we are essentially bluffing.

Now of course Villian might miss also and our continuation bet may get through but this way not only are we keeping the pot small OOP we have disguised a powerful hand so that when it hits it will be paid off handsomely.

I used to ALWAYS reraise here but after checking through my stats I realised it was an awful leak in my game as post flop play became very difficult when i missed OOP.Is my thinking seriously flawed?

LuckyLloyd

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