Demons, lizards and derision

MOGSA

Being of mixed blood through several generations, I said it as a Frenchman, an Englishman, a Spaniard, a German and probably as a proud Afrikaner too! I am led to believe that there is 2nd generation Irish in the mix as well!

Well, JimmiTime did write: ‘you have the gaul to say’ and just like most of his posts he almost gets it right but never quite correct as per God’s published Word.

I have 5 issues for him today because I need to defend myself and place issues in perspective:

1. Who stated the following as per John – Jesus or MOGSA?

John:3:5:

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

If you have not been born of water (full immersion baptism) and baptised in the Holy Spirit (being able to pray in the spirit and tongues), then my Word-based claim stands. If you have, then you are a reborn Christian and your attack on me is groundless for which I require a public apology. However, if not, then you owe the Christians on this forum an apology for trying to mislead them and for not being able to read/understand God’s Word properly.

Unfortunately, Jesus does have the authority to establish and state what is required of us to become Christians, no matter how galling that is to you.

If you consider yourself a Christian then answer yes or no to the question of whether these are the quoted words of Jesus:

Mathew: 7:20 - 23:

‘Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.’

Why would Jesus say this to a person who maintains they are Christian and indeed, does the work of Christians? It is not because they are not Christians according to the Word of God?
One needs to become baptized in the Spirit thus receiving the ‘mark of God’ from Jesus himself. He will certainly acknowledge you at that point.

I posted the blog to set the baselines expressed in the Word of God – not my own. It is obvious from your remarks to me and responses to Medina that you don’t understand the baselines laid out in the Bible clearly. You have little idea of how God’s Framework fits together, selectively deriding and commenting on issues that you have little understanding of.
Do you offer any support and encouragement of those issues that you do agree with in the blog? Have you posted new threads to debate those that you disagree with?

Do not attack God’s children without His understanding in your life!

2. We are called to evangelize
While I have researched and even experienced and abused a bit of the occult, I have no fascination with it. My blog threads dealing with demonic influences was to non-reborn Christians to wake up and see what is happening around them, especially the extent of the whole deception reaching into every facet of our lives. This is so they could make up their minds as to being deceived or not.

Reborn Christians are all well aware of the influence the occult has on the poor people around them and pray against Satan daily. This includes me. This is how I know you are not reborn.
As a reborn Christian you would know your enemy and how he perverts the people around you.
I research so as to know what I am up against with the help of the Holy Spirit – mine is a spiritual walk with God and His enemies that pervert His children are spiritual – don’t you know that?
How else can you protect yourself, except spiritually?

How are you going to become a disciple of God and evangelize as required without knowing these things, unfortunately even going to the extent of deriding them? Which of my points to warn others is untrue?

As a ‘Christian’, why would you oppose me evangelizing? Why shouldn’t I point out their deceptive environments? Should I not pray for them?

I made two very important points in the Blog which I now repeat for the third time in a few days:

Change the way you think about the Bible
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None of the Bible and very little in terms of witchcraft will mean much to you until you accept and rationalise that we, as humans, are spirits in a physical body, rather than the other way around. This is central to the whole theme in the Bible as well as who we are in this world.

The world is run by witchcraft whether you accept this fact or not.

And:
If you honestly can state to yourself that you don’t believe in witchcraft with all the empirical evidence around you, then you shouldn’t be debating on this board because you are without basic understanding of the issues involved on a Christian forum. Christianity is about spiritual life and how to live physically in the world within God’s Word:

I also post supportive text from His Word:
John:15:19:

“If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.”

‘For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.’

Why would you deride well researched material to back my claims up? Are you saying that the world is not run by witchcraft? If so, on what basis do you refute this? Do you deny God’s Word?

I would strongly suggest that you revisit my locked thread after taking the giant redwood out of your eye. You may actually understand God’s Framework with the right attitude.

3. Tithing and the other MM response issues
What specific part (rather than everything) of my Word-based response to MM was misleading or not Biblically correct? Why in your machinations do you decoy back to the locked thread when you should have opened a new thread?
If MM wants to do the right thing before God and be blessed so that he can be a blessing - which part of my response should he ignore?

4. Why do I bother?
I bother to post and blog because as a Christian, I can witness and share the wondrous ways that God lifted me out of my terrible circumstances so that others can be encouraged to embrace the path provided by God. It is such an easy option to embrace as opposed to living in misery and bondage for some.

I await with genuine anticipation the moment you post that you have been baptised in the Holy Spirit – we will all rejoice with you for becoming a Christian and give God all the glory. Most of us will add you to our prayer lists for God to strengthen and protect you because you will receive greater attention from Satan to pull you back.

If you need some help to achieve this, there are people on this forum near you who could assist.

Don’t get all hung up on this. For those of you who do not know this, you can be baptized (full water immersion) in the comfort of your own bath or swimming pool. First ask the Holy Spirit to prompt you in terms of anything that you should repent of. Do so and then ask Him to enter your life – invite Him in and then ask one of the essential born-again witnesses to pray for this as he dunks you under water in the name of Jesus.

If you feel that you still haven’t repented enough, then visit the prayers to break Satan’s bondage on your life I posted in my blog. Say them and get over your doubt. God says He forgets about your iniquities the moment you ask forgiveness….. so why shouldn’t you?

Such baptism must be done in front of witnesses who are to stand in agreement with you as per the words of Jesus ‘where two or more are gathered in my name ……’

If you are not shy about your body shape or lack of tan (or perhaps find a big covering of some sort), rather get baptised in full witness of the body of Christ. Then start working towards receiving the gifts of the Spirit and expect God’s abundance.

You should also ask and wait on God to show you where He wants you to fellowship and undertake communal worship in future. Make sure you join a home cell – keep your spiritual environment intact at all times.

5. We are called to cast out demons
It is very clear from your statements that you are not doing the work of God as you are called to do as a Christian. One of the tasks we undertake regularly is to relieve people of their misery by casting out the demons in them as per God’s Word so they can live in His light.

Some people can speak to these demons, others of us can just see them spiritually. They certainly appear and manifest in many disgusting forms just like the Hollywood movies about them. How else would people know about them? Is this not a logical conclusion? Participants in deliverance ministry cannot all be imagining the same thing at the same time, every time! Our experiences throughout the world are similar.

Deriding my descriptions and warnings about demons means that you have not equipped yourself to do God’s work so that you can be obedient to Him and carry out tasks, including helping others with occult problems which is the major cause of things like mental illness, family strife and poverty. You wouldn’t even recognise a situation, nor the cause even if it hit you in the face like a flatfish.

You are letting yourself down, insulting other proper Christians as well as deriding God with your arrogance. Just because you have not experienced this phenomena, does not mean that it doesn’t exist or that it should be ignored according to you.

I view movies with occult themes in them to establish what is being fed to the masses for the purposes of mass deception and will continue to do so.

So, Jimmitime, from your post I could perceive what sort of a Christian you are:

‘MOGSA! How can you be taken seriously as a Christian’
‘In reading your blog, you are the one in need of spiritual help’
‘That someone thinks about this kind of thing and then says that he's a christian baffles me!’
Its actually kinda sad

After reading my response above, please respond honestly and completely, giving the Christians on this forum a chance to review our perceptions about you.

This is not a vindictive request, it is to ensure that you become aligned with God for the purposes of your spiritual wellbeing.

I can assure you that I should be taken very seriously when I operate within God’s Word.

JimiTime

MOGSA wrote:

So, Jimmitime, from your post I could perceive what sort of a Christian you are:

‘MOGSA! How can you be taken seriously as a Christian’
‘In reading your blog, you are the one in need of spiritual help’
‘That someone thinks about this kind of thing and then says that he's a christian baffles me!’
Its actually kinda sad

After reading my response above, please respond honestly and completely, giving the Christians on this forum a chance to review our perceptions about you.

This is not a vindictive request, it is to ensure that you become aligned with God for the purposes of your spiritual wellbeing.

I can assure you that I should be taken very seriously when I operate within God’s Word.

MOGSA, David Koresh could quote scripture! I'm sure half of the paedophile priests could quote scripture. Were they Christian? I take exception to your in depth analysis on witchcraft and the likes. the fact that you said we should scribble out certain symbols if we see them on the wall as they signify something demonic etc. This in fact is taking part in the witchcraft. The Living God does not entertain such superstition like you. I did not say that I didn't think that witchcraft didn't exist. I just said that I don't involve myself with it, and neither should any Christian. Christ did not educate us on the intricate details of how satans system operates, nor should we. All we need is to be aware that, if its against God steer clear. You seem to have a facination with it. You shall know a tree by its fruitage. You have looked way too much into Satans side of things. It seems you have adopted a 'you've got to know your enemy' type stance. Whereas, Christ says, you need to know him! If you are indeed walking with Christ you would not get into such details about , symbols on walls, lizard men and all that other stuff you were spouting. For goodness sake, you pointed to David Ickes website!! Do you know who that goon is. Did you know that in the eighties that he set up a cult, whereby they all had to wear these green shell tracksuits for protection. Why would a 'Christian' promote the ideas of a man like this. To be honest all that you achieve is bringing more reproach on the name of Christ, and more reasons for unbelievers not to believe. TBH, judging by what was said on your blog, I would not enter into discussion with you scripturely as alot of what you said would tarnish my opinion of you as a Christian. I merely wanted to point out to be mindful of you, because on what I read, you may certainly be vigourous that you are th only type of christian their can be, and may have scriptures 'to back you up'. But I assure you, you are far from that.

Nevyn

Mogsa this link http://blogs.boards.ie/blog/68916 is the link you your very own blog.
It is provided to you so that you don't have to use any forum on boards.ie as a blog.

I shall pray for you, you need it.

juddd

If there is one thing I dislike it is a preaching evangelist who claims to think they know exactly what god wants, I have free will to make my own choices and form my own opinions, I do not need some idealistic preacher spoon feeding me their OPINION.
God will come into our lives if we CHOOSE to let God in and that is all I need to know, the very subject of this thread arroused my curiosity like an advertisement for a fantasy film, and when I read what you have wrote I just had to respond, by you preaching to us about this and that and quoting scripture you are trying to persuade or even take away our free will and our God given right to choose for ourselves.
So please do not try to persuade me to the path of God for I would prefer to make that journey myself without any influence from anyone.
We all have an inbuilt voice within us that knows right from wrong, and at this moment in my life that voice is getting louder and my opinions about certain things are starting to change and I am forming new opinions and insights into certain things around me, so please let me be, and let me find my own way, for if I cant find my own way then I shall learn nothing.

Asiaprod

MOGSA, while you are very welcome to post here, I would ask you to slim down your posts. You have already been pointed to your Blog which would provide ample space to accommodate your lengthy diatribes. Otherwise I have no option than to edit or remove your posts, and I really do not feel inclined to devote the time required to edit them.

Capt'n Midnight

Where are all teh Demons, lizards and derision ? :mad:

MOGSA wrote:

I can assure you that I should be taken very seriously when I operate within God’s Word.

TBH I was expecting something more like this http://www.davidicke.com/content/category/6/27/43/

Nevyn

Asiaprod wrote:

MOGSA, while you are very welcome to post here, I would ask you to slim down your posts. You have already been pointed to your Blog which would provide ample space to accommodate your lengthy diatribes. Otherwise I have no option than to edit or remove your posts, and I really do not feel inclined to devote the time required to edit them.

Well if the post are not wanted or warrented then they are spam and we ban people from forum and site ban them for spaming.

Zombrex

MOGSA wrote:

They certainly appear and manifest in many disgusting forms just like the Hollywood movies about them. How else would people know about them? Is this not a logical conclusion?

Not according to the Bible.

The Bible describes Satan's angels (demons) as "masquerade as servants of righteousness"

If they looked like horned bug eye Hollywood monsters that wouldn't be looking very "righteous" would it.

The whole point of Satan and his minions is that you can't tell they are evil or who they are. As angels they have no natural physical appearance that humans can see, no "true form" as so frequently stated in Hollywood movies, so their only physical form would be as masquerading as servants of righteousness. They would never look like Hollywood monsters because that would defeat the entire purpose.

I suggest you read up on your Bible MOSGA and stop watching late night horror programs. That is probably exactly what Satan wants, you to get all hung up about bug eyed monsters, ignoring the real demons.

Scofflaw

Wicknight wrote:

Not according to the Bible.

The Bible describes Satan's angels (demons) as "masquerade as servants of righteousness"

If they looked like horned bug eye Hollywood monsters that would be looking very "righteous" would it.

The whole point of Satan and his minions is that you can't tell they are evil or who they are. As angels they have no natural physical appearance that humans can see, so their own physical form would be as masquerading as servants of righteousness. They would never look like Hollywood monsters because that would defeat the entire purpose.

I suggest you read up on your Bible MOSGA and stop watching late night horror programs

They might look, for example, like a certain well-known pastor who's been in the news recently...

cheekily,
Scofflaw

Asiaprod

Thaedydal wrote:

Well if the post are not wanted or warrented then they are spam and we ban people from forum and site ban them for spaming.

Thank you for the clarification, I do feel the same way and was pondering this.
Since this thread is going nowhere, its closed.
MOGSA, I really don't like your approach and I do not believe its is in anyway beneficial to grown and understanding on this Forum. Rather you are becoming a figure of ridicule, and that does not sit comfortably with me either.
You are banned from this forum for one month. Pm me in one month and convince me to let you back.