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Row over population

  • 25-10-2006 1:57pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭


    I think its a crime in this day and age that you cant fly between Cork and Derry directly. Flying within Ireland is fairly limited really.

    X.


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  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is Derry bigger than Galway and Limerick?:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭xabi


    Is Derry bigger than Galway and Limerick?:confused:

    Probably bigger than Galway and Limerick combined. Derry is as big as Cork, population wise anyway, abot 10 -15K between them.

    X.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,529 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Hmmm, the calculated 2006 figures I plucked off the web (http://www.world-gazetteer.com) are ...

    Cork 189 692
    Limerick 91 119
    Galway 72 237

    Derry 88 120


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭xabi


    Alun wrote:
    Hmmm, the calculated 2006 figures I plucked off the web (http://www.world-gazetteer.com) are ...

    Cork 189 692
    Limerick 91 119
    Galway 72 237

    Derry 88 120

    Thats an estimate, the figures from the cso say
    Cork city 123,062
    Galway City 65,832
    Limerick City 54,023
    Thats from 2002 mind you, but i doubt if 40 odd K people moved to Limerick in 4 years.

    Derry 90,736 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry in 2001

    Even so, still makes Derry bigger than either Galway or Limerick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭fricatus


    xabi wrote:
    Limerick City 54,023
    Thats from 2002 mind you, but i doubt if 40 odd K people moved to Limerick in 4 years.

    Derry 90,736 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry in 2001

    Even so, still makes Derry bigger than either Galway or Limerick

    Limerick's urban area population is about 93,000 now. The city council area population fell from 54k in 2002 to 52k in 2006, but Limerick is alone in Irish cities in having large suburban areas that are not counted in the official figures. However the city as a whole is growing, just like everywhere else in Ireland.

    A quick look at Google Earth will confirm this; the city council area does not include Castletroy or Dooradoyle, or indeed some parts of Moyross, which has been mentioned in the news lately as part of the difficulties there involve there being no representation at city hall for half the estate.

    That's where your 40k discrepancy comes from.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭xabi


    fricatus wrote:
    Limerick's urban area population is about 93,000 now. The city council area population fell from 54k in 2002 to 52k in 2006, but Limerick is alone in Irish cities in having large suburban areas that are not counted in the official figures. However the city as a whole is growing, just like everywhere else in Ireland.

    A quick look at Google Earth will confirm this; the city council area does not include Castletroy or Dooradoyle, or indeed some parts of Moyross, which has been mentioned in the news lately as part of the difficulties there involve there being no representation at city hall for half the estate.

    That's where your 40k discrepancy comes from.

    When you look at it that way and take in the council area, Derry has a population of 105,066 http://www.derrycity.gov.uk/economicdevelopment/area.htm

    X.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Census 2002 says

    Limerick - 54k
    Suburbs of LMK - 29k
    Total - 93k

    Cork - 123k
    Suburbs of Cork - 63k
    Total - 186k

    Galway - 65k
    Suburbs - 331 (?)
    Total - 65k

    only figure available 2006 are electoral district figures, so not possible to compare yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 642 ✭✭✭strassenwolf


    loyatemu wrote:
    Census 2002 says

    Limerick - 54k
    Suburbs of LMK - 29k
    Total - 93k
    Is that for the whole county? That's 10,000 there who don't live in the city or the suburbs, but I'd have thought that the other towns in the county would make up more than 10k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭1huge1


    Is Derry bigger than Galway and Limerick?:confused:
    no limerick has 99,000 and derry 92,000
    not including boundries here people
    galway has 72,000 though

    i didnt know we even considered the northern cities in this question
    come on its like we always say cork is the 2nd biggest city in ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭1huge1


    oh and thats still not including all of limericks suburbs its well over 100k


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭Bards


    fricatus wrote:
    Limerick's urban area population is about 93,000 now. The city council area population fell from 54k in 2002 to 52k in 2006, but Limerick is alone in Irish cities in having large suburban areas that are not counted in the official figures. However the city as a whole is growing, just like everywhere else in Ireland

    Waterford City is iin the same boat as Limerick in that 5K people are living just north of the suir in Kilkenny and are not counted in the City either. makes a mockery of CSO figures and elections if you ask me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Bards wrote:
    Waterford City is iin the same boat as Limerick in that 5K people are living just north of the suir in Kilkenny and are not counted in the City either. makes a mockery of CSO figures and elections if you ask me

    the figures are in the census (2002)
    http://www.cso.ie/census/documents/vol1_entire.pdf

    under the Kilkenny section it says

    Suburbs of Waterford - 2142

    while the Waterford section gives

    Waterford City - 44,594

    so 46,763 in total - little more than a big town really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭xabi


    1huge1 wrote:
    no limerick has 99,000 and derry 92,000
    not including boundries here people

    According to the 2002 census - Limerick City has 54,023


    http://www.cso.ie/statistics/popofeachprovcountycity2002.htm

    X.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Suburbs of Waterford - 2142

    while the Waterford section gives

    Waterford City - 44,594

    so 46,763 in total - little more than a big town really.

    Now thats fighting talk! Anyway the figures are well out of date, anyone who drives into Waterford from the New Ross side will have seen the huge expanse of new houses on the left hand side. I'd say you could double the Suburban number and a bit more besides.

    Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭1huge1


    xabi wrote:
    According to the 2002 census - Limerick City has 54,023


    http://www.cso.ie/statistics/popofeachprovcountycity2002.htm

    X.
    yes but that icludes only whats inside the boundry and limericks boundry is very small and hasnt been been made bigger in over 50years:eek:
    my figure was including the city as a whole which is much much larger than what the census shows id say its double what the census shows


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭xabi


    1huge1 wrote:
    yes but that icludes only whats inside the boundry and limericks boundry is very small and hasnt been been made bigger in over 50years:eek:
    my figure was including the city as a whole which is much much larger than what the census shows id say its double what the census shows

    So, the county must have halved its population if the city stole 50K of them. Can imagine 50K people wanting to move to Limerick.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    xabi wrote:
    So, the county must have halved its population if the city stole 50K of them. Can imagine 50K people wanting to move to Limerick.

    According to the initial findings of 2006 the population of Limerick was broken down like this

    2002:
    Limerick: 175,304
    of which
    Limerick City: 54,023
    Limerick County: 121,281

    2006:
    Limerick: 183,863
    of which
    Limerick City: 52,560
    Limerick County: 131,303

    Population within the county area has increased by over 10k people in last 4years, now if say 40k are within the area that Limerick City Council which to Annex then it's hardly no surprise that Limerick County Council are heavily opposed to such an idea. After all there must be a large number of comercial rate paying companies both within immediate city area and servicing those 40k people.

    The problem as other people have pointed out is that Limerick's boundary hasn't been extended since early 1950's as a result most of the surburban development of Limerick in last 20years has been in the county area. Compare this to Galway where City council nearly double it's area in 1984, as result the population within the city boundary is now around 72k (going on 2006 figures)

    Boundary extension proposal (including bits of south clare)
    http://www.limerickcorp.ie/graphics/content_area/CItyBExt.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Thread split and slashed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I'm coming up with 99,872 for Limerick. However this figure is slightly bloated as it includes all of Limerick City and the following electoral divisions Ballycummin; Ballysimon; Ballyvarra; Limerick North Rural; Limerick South Rural; Roxborough; and Ballyglass. This includes some population that is not part of the city.

    The equivalent figures for Derry appear to be
    City Proper: 83,652
    Derry Urban Area: 90,736

    The Derry City Council includes open countryside, not part of the urban population


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    Victor wrote:
    I'm coming up with 99,872 for Limerick. However this figure is slightly bloated as it includes all of Limerick City and the following electoral divisions Ballycummin; Ballysimon; Ballyvarra; Limerick North Rural; Limerick South Rural; Roxborough; and Ballyglass. This includes some population that is not part of the city.

    The pdf that Limerick City Council have on their website claimed there was a population of nearly 39k within the area that they wanted to annex going on 2002 figures. Adding that to 54k figure for city adds up to about 93k in 2002, with population growth in the proposed area to be annexed ye could probably add a couple extra 1,000 onto that figure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,647 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    But that includes people that do not live in the continuous urban area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    according to the 2006 census,
    Galway city and county has grown by 32,000
    Limerick city and county has grown by 10,000


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