Row over population

xabi

I think its a crime in this day and age that you cant fly between Cork and Derry directly. Flying within Ireland is fairly limited really.

X.

Is Derry bigger than Galway and Limerick?

xabi

Deleted User wrote:

Is Derry bigger than Galway and Limerick?

Probably bigger than Galway and Limerick combined. Derry is as big as Cork, population wise anyway, abot 10 -15K between them.

X.

Alun

Hmmm, the calculated 2006 figures I plucked off the web (http://www.world-gazetteer.com) are ...

Cork 189 692
Limerick 91 119
Galway 72 237

Derry 88 120

xabi

Alun wrote:

Hmmm, the calculated 2006 figures I plucked off the web (http://www.world-gazetteer.com) are ...

Cork 189 692
Limerick 91 119
Galway 72 237

Derry 88 120

Thats an estimate, the figures from the cso say
Cork city 123,062
Galway City 65,832
Limerick City 54,023
Thats from 2002 mind you, but i doubt if 40 odd K people moved to Limerick in 4 years.

Derry 90,736 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry in 2001

Even so, still makes Derry bigger than either Galway or Limerick

fricatus

xabi wrote:

Limerick City 54,023
Thats from 2002 mind you, but i doubt if 40 odd K people moved to Limerick in 4 years.

Derry 90,736 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derry in 2001

Even so, still makes Derry bigger than either Galway or Limerick

Limerick's urban area population is about 93,000 now. The city council area population fell from 54k in 2002 to 52k in 2006, but Limerick is alone in Irish cities in having large suburban areas that are not counted in the official figures. However the city as a whole is growing, just like everywhere else in Ireland.

A quick look at Google Earth will confirm this; the city council area does not include Castletroy or Dooradoyle, or indeed some parts of Moyross, which has been mentioned in the news lately as part of the difficulties there involve there being no representation at city hall for half the estate.

That's where your 40k discrepancy comes from.

xabi

fricatus wrote:

Limerick's urban area population is about 93,000 now. The city council area population fell from 54k in 2002 to 52k in 2006, but Limerick is alone in Irish cities in having large suburban areas that are not counted in the official figures. However the city as a whole is growing, just like everywhere else in Ireland.

A quick look at Google Earth will confirm this; the city council area does not include Castletroy or Dooradoyle, or indeed some parts of Moyross, which has been mentioned in the news lately as part of the difficulties there involve there being no representation at city hall for half the estate.

That's where your 40k discrepancy comes from.

When you look at it that way and take in the council area, Derry has a population of 105,066 http://www.derrycity.gov.uk/economicdevelopment/area.htm

X.

loyatemu

Census 2002 says

Limerick - 54k
Suburbs of LMK - 29k
Total - 93k

Cork - 123k
Suburbs of Cork - 63k
Total - 186k

Galway - 65k
Suburbs - 331 (?)
Total - 65k

only figure available 2006 are electoral district figures, so not possible to compare yet.

strassenwolf

loyatemu wrote:

Census 2002 says

Limerick - 54k
Suburbs of LMK - 29k
Total - 93k

Is that for the whole county? That's 10,000 there who don't live in the city or the suburbs, but I'd have thought that the other towns in the county would make up more than 10k.

1huge1

Deleted User wrote:

Is Derry bigger than Galway and Limerick?

no limerick has 99,000 and derry 92,000
not including boundries here people
galway has 72,000 though

i didnt know we even considered the northern cities in this question
come on its like we always say cork is the 2nd biggest city in ireland

1huge1

oh and thats still not including all of limericks suburbs its well over 100k

Bards

fricatus wrote:

Limerick's urban area population is about 93,000 now. The city council area population fell from 54k in 2002 to 52k in 2006, but Limerick is alone in Irish cities in having large suburban areas that are not counted in the official figures. However the city as a whole is growing, just like everywhere else in Ireland

Waterford City is iin the same boat as Limerick in that 5K people are living just north of the suir in Kilkenny and are not counted in the City either. makes a mockery of CSO figures and elections if you ask me

loyatemu

Bards wrote:

Waterford City is iin the same boat as Limerick in that 5K people are living just north of the suir in Kilkenny and are not counted in the City either. makes a mockery of CSO figures and elections if you ask me

the figures are in the census (2002)
http://www.cso.ie/census/documents/vol1_entire.pdf

under the Kilkenny section it says

Suburbs of Waterford - 2142

while the Waterford section gives

Waterford City - 44,594

so 46,763 in total - little more than a big town really.

xabi

1huge1 wrote:

no limerick has 99,000 and derry 92,000
not including boundries here people

According to the 2002 census - Limerick City has 54,023


http://www.cso.ie/statistics/popofeachprovcountycity2002.htm

X.

mike65

Suburbs of Waterford - 2142

while the Waterford section gives

Waterford City - 44,594

so 46,763 in total - little more than a big town really.

Now thats fighting talk! Anyway the figures are well out of date, anyone who drives into Waterford from the New Ross side will have seen the huge expanse of new houses on the left hand side. I'd say you could double the Suburban number and a bit more besides.

Mike.

1huge1

xabi wrote:

According to the 2002 census - Limerick City has 54,023


http://www.cso.ie/statistics/popofeachprovcountycity2002.htm

X.

yes but that icludes only whats inside the boundry and limericks boundry is very small and hasnt been been made bigger in over 50years:eek:
my figure was including the city as a whole which is much much larger than what the census shows id say its double what the census shows

xabi

1huge1 wrote:

yes but that icludes only whats inside the boundry and limericks boundry is very small and hasnt been been made bigger in over 50years:eek:
my figure was including the city as a whole which is much much larger than what the census shows id say its double what the census shows

So, the county must have halved its population if the city stole 50K of them. Can imagine 50K people wanting to move to Limerick.

dubhthach

xabi wrote:

So, the county must have halved its population if the city stole 50K of them. Can imagine 50K people wanting to move to Limerick.

According to the initial findings of 2006 the population of Limerick was broken down like this

2002:
Limerick: 175,304
of which
Limerick City: 54,023
Limerick County: 121,281

2006:
Limerick: 183,863
of which
Limerick City: 52,560
Limerick County: 131,303

Population within the county area has increased by over 10k people in last 4years, now if say 40k are within the area that Limerick City Council which to Annex then it's hardly no surprise that Limerick County Council are heavily opposed to such an idea. After all there must be a large number of comercial rate paying companies both within immediate city area and servicing those 40k people.

The problem as other people have pointed out is that Limerick's boundary hasn't been extended since early 1950's as a result most of the surburban development of Limerick in last 20years has been in the county area. Compare this to Galway where City council nearly double it's area in 1984, as result the population within the city boundary is now around 72k (going on 2006 figures)

Boundary extension proposal (including bits of south clare)
http://www.limerickcorp.ie/graphics/content_area/CItyBExt.jpg

Victor

Thread split and slashed.

Victor

I'm coming up with 99,872 for Limerick. However this figure is slightly bloated as it includes all of Limerick City and the following electoral divisions Ballycummin; Ballysimon; Ballyvarra; Limerick North Rural; Limerick South Rural; Roxborough; and Ballyglass. This includes some population that is not part of the city.

The equivalent figures for Derry appear to be
City Proper: 83,652
Derry Urban Area: 90,736

The Derry City Council includes open countryside, not part of the urban population

dubhthach

Victor wrote:

I'm coming up with 99,872 for Limerick. However this figure is slightly bloated as it includes all of Limerick City and the following electoral divisions Ballycummin; Ballysimon; Ballyvarra; Limerick North Rural; Limerick South Rural; Roxborough; and Ballyglass. This includes some population that is not part of the city.

The pdf that Limerick City Council have on their website claimed there was a population of nearly 39k within the area that they wanted to annex going on 2002 figures. Adding that to 54k figure for city adds up to about 93k in 2002, with population growth in the proposed area to be annexed ye could probably add a couple extra 1,000 onto that figure.

Victor

But that includes people that do not live in the continuous urban area.

galwayrush

according to the 2006 census,
Galway city and county has grown by 32,000
Limerick city and county has grown by 10,000