Hand from BCOOP, QQ

willis

Not an interesting hand but just wondering if I played correctly. It is a sitution im sure a lot of us have faced before

Boardster(seems solid) utg makes it 175(1.8k satck, I cover), blinds 25/50, pot limit. I flat call on button with QQ.
Flop: J108 3spades, I hold Q spades. Villain bets pot(425) leaving approx 1.2k behind, I fold.

Preflop:Should I reraise a solid utg raiser preflop? Do I fold if he pumps?

Flop: Am I too passive?

BTW: Boardster is Declan8

5starpool

Repot preflop and call an all-in move imo.

cardshark202

This serious?

willis

yeh serious man. Im just wondering if i should always repop a solid player who raises utg with QQ. If so, should i always be prepared to call an allin from him? His range 3betting preflop must be tiny imo, so am i going to the felt with QQ everytime?

Obv if i repop preflop i dont hav this flop decision, but watever, now i do. Tell me cardshark, are you always calling his allin preflop if you repop it?

5starpool

In a small stack online tournie I am always happy to get it in preflop against an unknown player early on preflop headsup with QQ.

con_leche

After some consideration I would probably gamble here and re-raise.

On flop there is a SMALL chance that raiser has sfa and has fired out Ace high continuation bet, or holds good pair + kicker, and a BIG chance my QQ overpair are good.

On flop there is a SMALL chance that my Queens are not good but a chance that my outs to a set, straight, flush, straight flush or royal flush are good.

willis

Ok 5star, you repop, he goes allin, with what range is a solid player pushing allin for over 30bbs in your opinion? If you were villain, and a solid player repooped youre utg raise, would you stick it in with JJ-88, AQ/AJ?

cardshark202

Well I normally re-raise pre, but flat-calling on the button is not too bad. However, folding the flop is weak, I probably try get it all in here, though there can be an argument for calling in position, but not with these stacks.

EDIT: I think its best to just get it all in preflop, its only 30BBs

5starpool

willis wrote:

Ok 5star, you repop, he goes allin, with what range is a solid player pushing allin for over 30bbs in your opinion? If you were villain, and a solid player repooped youre utg raise, would you stick it in with JJ-88, AQ/AJ?

Personally I wouldn't most of the time, but there are a lot of players in internet land that do.

I think by repopping it then a large part of the time you will win it there. If I flat call and see that flop my money is going in anyways. Gamble early on I say.

If you call and fold to a flop bet what are you trying to do? There are a lot of hands that bet that flop, some that you beat, some that you don't, some that you have outs against. The only ones you are in realy trouble to are an overpoair with a spade, or AK spades. I don't like these 1500 stack tournies anyhow.

willis

cardshark202 wrote:

However, folding the flop is weak

This is my problem. He has bet the pot after a utg raise. He is solid. Its an action flop, and surely in his head he must be thinking that that flop must of hit me in some way(ive just called on the button, my range must be wideish)...yet he stil fires a strong shell. Imo, he cant fire this shell with less than AK/AQ/AJ with a spade, he defo bets a floped set, and obviously AA/KK.

Is my fold really that weak? Yes its only 30bbs, but if i get allin and lose im basically a gonner.

5star, we know this guy is solid, not just an internet donk...i think if i repop and he pushes i will fold...anybody at all agree??i just aint comfortable getting it allin preflop here, maybe im too weak tight

5starpool

willis wrote:

This is my problem. He has bet the pot after a utg raise. He is solid. Its an action flop, and surely in his head he must be thinking that that flop must of hit me in some way(ive just called on the button, my range must be wideish)...yet he stil fires a strong shell. Imo, he cant fire this shell with less than AK/AQ/AJ with a spade, he defo bets a floped set, and obviously AA/KK.

Is my fold really that weak? Yes its only 30bbs, but if i get allin and lose im basically a gonner.

5star, we know this guy is solid, not just an internet donk...i think if i repop and he pushes i will fold...anybody at all agree??i just aint comfortable getting it allin preflop here, maybe im too weak tight

Unless you know more about Delanc8 other than he sometimes posts on baords and having played into the 25/50 level on one tournie with him then how can you be so sure? He may be an excellent player, but I cannot remember any hand histories of his or strategy posts by him to say so. I agree that in general someone who reads here is liable to be a better player than the average internet donk, but this is not a hard and fast rule.

Also he may have raised with AQ, seen you falt call, seen the scary board and thought 'willis hasn't shown any strength, a bet will take this unless I am unlucky and he has hit a monster'.

ocallagh

Flat calling on button pre-flop with QQ is fine IMO. You can keep your range wide open and sometimes win a large pot against 88-JJ. Raising has its benefits too though. You can get it all in pre-flop with a decent hand,or you can get him to call an extra 400 with AK and give him terrible odds to draw out on you on the flop. If you raise to 500 or so and he pushes well then it's a judgement call. I will call 90% of internet players pre-flop with QQ.

You cannot fold that flop. There are only 2 cards in the deck that really cause you any concern. As you say yourself your range is wide open, so he could easily be firing a continuation bet with Ak/AQ hoping you missed. If he has a set or KK/AA you have outs (including an inside str8 draw), and if he has AA or KK with a spade well that's just very unlucky! I think I get it all in on the flop here.

phantom_lord

Ship it/

delanec8

You made a very nice fold, i had KK with Ks but i agree with the general consensus that you should usually push my flop bet, with as little info on my play as you had. The only hands you are really dominated by here are AsAx and KsKx. Even against a set you are over 40% to win.

I would bet the pot and am willing to get allin here with AsKx,AsQx. I think we were 7 handed at this stage so i could have 9s9x,AsJx.

I was 5 tabling during this and donked off my chips a little later. Im sure if you saw that hand your chips would have gone in pretty quickly.:D