A Final Word on Combatives

Millionaire

Hi

Last few days on other threads we had debates about combatives, how can you tell good from bad etc....

i tried my best in other thread to explain, my idea of SD which includes combatives.....

This is an article from Lee Morrisson, and this more or less sums up my views and ideals too.... except I add in a good dose of Muay Thai too, Lee mentiond boxing sparring and toe to toe milling drills, as all parts of the whole picture....he has wrestling...which is an area I am currently learning.

Here is the article, might explain a bit better what I was trying to say....

http://www.urbancombatives.com/influences.htm

In general there are some great articles and reviews on this site.

and Lee got another Dublin seminar coming up soon???

yomchi

Novemeber 25th Dublin 7 - 10am to 4pm !!

Baggio...

Jon wrote:

Novemeber 25th Dublin 7 - 10am to 4pm !!

Definitely check it out if ya' get the chance - plus at 80 euro good value for money.:cool:

Baggio...

Here are Dennis Martin's thoughts of "Combatives". He'll explain it better than I ever could.:)

http://selfprotection.lightbb.com/viewtopic.forum?t=182

Millionaire

I was thinking about it, when I was waking up this morning!

John K used the example of MMA UFC where the cage is the lad, to expritment and find out when real live conditions works. and is a 100% true.

Got , to think, yeah he is the "laboratiry" for combatives, then I rememebered the hsiory of combatives, how and here it was developed, by tough street UK and Irish cops who worked in Shanghai in 1920s. where real violence in police work came daily.. They need something easy to remember and learn and use, and borrowed from MA availale then, and put their own twist on it, learning what worked in real scraps and what did not.

The other week, I was watching a documentary on Discover about General Patton, in WWII, and he showed Comandos training in unarmed combat, I was very suprised to see that it was very judo like, and also even thougt they were training on a grass field, they were beating the crap out of each other, also showed an unarmed defence against a full on baynotet charge and move was 90% the same as a KM technique.

I am guessinf that these guys who developed combatives, were a bit like the famous Dublin guardi of many years ago, who patrolled the inner city....."lugs" Bannigan.....as the sory goes...."lugs" was not into arresting petty crimnals too much, instead perfered to give them a good slapping up an alley way instead! My own grandfather long dead, was in the cops from day 1 of the Free State and served in the same area. There are many people who held the theory this was a better form of justice! LOL!

A bit like the story my father told me, car was broken into one day, and he went into rathmines station to report it. this was in the 70s, there was no desk sargent on duty, and my father waited and began to hear all this banging, slapping, shouting, screaming, and groaning come from an open door.

A few minutes later a big massive thick culchie gardai sargent arrived out, with this tunic open and the sweat lashing off him came on, and said to my father..

"There s nothing I hate more than a wife beater!!!'

47MartialMan

Very nice links.

And though I may agree to most of it, the final word will never come.

From my experience and/or experiences could create catatonia.

To give an example from many true accounts.

A person gets mugged many times over. Fed up with the plight, enters a firearm store and purchases a firearm. Going as far as to understand the mechanics of it, also desires to train with it, i.e. safety and firing courses.

Having went through much understanding and training, a predilection forms as well as a higher level of confidence.

Much time passes and said person finally gets mugged again. This time, it is much different.

Out comes the firearm. Out comes the moment of truth. The mugger does not fear, but gets aggitated. Out comes his accomplice from out of nowhere. Out comes his firearm. Out comes bullets being discharge.

What is the out come?