Comments on the play in this hand please.

BigCityBanker

Im the BB and the levels are just after going to 100 / 200. One caller in MP (lets just say this guy likes to see flops), the sb completed and i checked my Qh6h.

Flop comes Ac 9c X - I lead out for 525 after the sb checks as I reckon it should take down the pot. MP caller thinks and calls, sb folds.

Turn comes Xc - board is still 9 high here other than the initial A. I lead out for 875, other guy thinks about it and calls.

River brings another low card, non club - the board holds a flush, a straight draw and is 9 high other than the A. I move all in for 4k. Other player delays and goes into the tank, makes a move for folding, but doesnt, delays again, makes a move for folding again but doesnt. Then says "I cant believe Im gonna fold this" - holds the cards in his hands and starts about to muck them - pulls them back in, has a further think and calls for his stack of 3025. He shows A 7 and takes down the pot.

Comments please?

ty.

ianmc38

BigCityBanker wrote:

Im the BB and the levels are just after going to 100 / 200. One caller in MP (lets just say this guy likes to see flops), the sb completed and i checked my Qh6h.

Flop comes Ac 9c X - I lead out for 525 after the sb checks as I reckon it should take down the pot. MP caller thinks and calls, sb folds.

Turn comes Xc - board is still 9 high here other than the initial A. I lead out for 875, other guy thinks about it and calls.

River brings another low card, non club - the board holds a flush, a straight draw and is 9 high other than the A. I move all in for 4k. Other player delays and goes into the tank, makes a move for folding, but doesnt, delays again, makes a move for folding again but doesnt. Then says "I cant believe Im gonna fold this" - holds the cards in his hands and starts about to muck them - pulls them back in, has a further think and calls for his stack of 3025. He shows A 7 and takes down the pot.

Comments please?

ty.

Nice read.

masterclass

BigCityBanker wrote:

Im the BB and the levels are just after going to 100 / 200. One caller in MP (lets just say this guy likes to see flops), the sb completed and i checked my Qh6h.

Flop comes Ac 9c X - I lead out for 525 after the sb checks as I reckon it should take down the pot. MP caller thinks and calls, sb folds.

Turn comes Xc - board is still 9 high here other than the initial A. I lead out for 875, other guy thinks about it and calls.

River brings another low card, non club - the board holds a flush, a straight draw and is 9 high other than the A. I move all in for 4k. Other player delays and goes into the tank, makes a move for folding, but doesnt, delays again, makes a move for folding again but doesnt. Then says "I cant believe Im gonna fold this" - holds the cards in his hands and starts about to muck them - pulls them back in, has a further think and calls for his stack of 3025. He shows A 7 and takes down the pot.

Comments please?

ty.

Not well played in my opinion. You ended up losing all your roll in the end .. just in the hope of stealing the small pot post flop.
Was a nice call from your opponent.

BigCityBanker

ianmc38 wrote:

Nice read.

Im glad you enjoyed it Ian.

ianmc38

BigCityBanker wrote:

Im glad you enjoyed it Ian.

Touché

ianmc38

On a more serious note, the bet on the flop is ok but not great, seeing as Ax is a large part of most MP limpers ranges. Once he calls your flop bet, turn and river are spew. Based on your description he sounds like the typical top pair is the nuts kind of player who there is no sense in bluffing. Just bet your strong hands hard against them

Hitman Actual

I don't like it at all either. I'm not sure what you're representing, but it doesn't feel like a flush to me. Plus you're in the BB with a random hand, as far as the opponent is concerned. If it was a rag flop, I like it better as it's easy to represent a big hand from the blinds then. But once your flop bet is called, you're really done with the hand. I'm not sure what game it is, but if it's a regular low(ish) buy-in Dublin game, then getting tricky is rarely worth it.

Also not sure if opponents call was good, or fishy. Good, I suppose...

Hmm, are you the A7 guy in the hand?

Gholimoli

you just busted your entire stack with Q high on a A high bored with str and flush on it on a mutiple steel attemps after your bets were called on each street.
what exactly do you wanna here?

bops

i think you played it fine!

he appears to have caught a dose of callinstationitious (it's going around) - he doesn't appear to have got a read from you during his fumbling fold attempts! - I feel your pain brother

bops

ps identical to thread i posted today

masterclass

bops wrote:

i think you played it fine!

he appears to have caught a dose of callinstationitious (it's going around) - he doesn't appear to have got a read from you during his fumbling fold attempts! - I feel your pain brother

How on earth can you say this was played fine !!!!!!
As Gholi just said, continuos bets on that type of board with Q high...you gotta be kidding me continuing betting after getting a call from the flop..

Obviously opponent must have had SOME type of read ...

Out of Interest .. How can you explain it was played fine.. considering he was just trying to pick up a small pot...400/500

Gholimoli

masterclass wrote:

How on earth can you say this was played fine !!!!!!
As Gholi just said, continuos bets on that type of board with Q high...you gotta be kidding me continuing betting after getting a call from the flop..

Obviously opponent must have had SOME type of read ...

Out of Interest .. How can you explain it was played fine.. considering he was just trying to pick up a small pot...400/500

you gotta see the big picture (im sorry mods but i just couldnt resist:D )

MrPillowTalk

When he calls on the flop I would have put him on a draw of some sort after he limps pre flop so when the third club hits I would be done with the hand most likely

Gholimoli

MrPillowTalk wrote:

When he calls on the flop I would have put him on a draw of some sort after he limps pre flop so when the third club hits I would be done with the hand most likely

you tight fish

cardshark202

When someone bets, gets called and doesn't slow down when a scare card comes, and then gets called again and still refuses to slow down, they have the nuts or nothing. This is super-spewy. I would snap-call you with 22 here.

bops

masterclass wrote:

Out of Interest .. How can you explain it was played fine.. considering he was just trying to pick up a small pot...400/500

I firmly believe that BCB had an excellent read on callinstation man and put him on a weak A

Somebody with a weak A here (and obviously no read on BCB imo) should not have committed all his chips on the river.

WELL PLAYED BIGCITYBANKER
MUCK PLAY CALLINGSTATION DIKHEAD

Gholi is right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

masterclass

bops wrote:

I firmly believe that BCB had an excellent read on callinstation man and put him on a weak A

Somebody with a weak A here (and obviously no read on BCB imo) should not have committed all his chips on the river.

WELL PLAYED BIGCITYBANKER
MUCK PLAY CALLINGSTATION DIKHEAD

Gholi is right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol...I gotta laugh....a bad bluff gone terribly wrong ... all for a few measily chips to start off with..

Ste05

This hand would need alot of background information before it can be done.

A few criteria for when this kind of play could work.

(1) The Villain needs to know that we bet with both our draws and made hands;
(2) We must have seen that the Victim is able to lay down hands;
(3) We must have an image of fast playing our made hands;
(4) We shouldn't have been caught bluffing in the last hour or so, (and the Villain must be good enough to have noticed this);
(5) Previous history with the opponent;
(6) Was the opponent recently bluffed off a hand, and possibly steaming;
(7) etc. etc. etc. etc.

There are obviously loads of other criteria that should be taken into account, but commenting on a play like this is basically impossible on a forum like this.

A three barrel bluff is something that people should be capable of from time to time (using alot of background information) but discussing the times when it would be correct or not, would require far too much information to have a meaningful discussion about it in a medium such as this.

Waylander

I think you are way off amrk here Bops, the other player almost folded several times and announced he really did not want to fold his hand. How can you say he got no read, he obviously put alot of thought into it. I think the steal attempt on the flop was bad, the turn and the river were awful.

bops

Waylander wrote:

I think you are way off amrk here Bops, the other player almost folded several times and announced he really did not want to fold his hand. How can you say he got no read, he obviously put alot of thought into it. I think the steal attempt on the flop was bad, the turn and the river were awful.

The thought process in his head probably went as follows:
"I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, I know I should fold, but I can't I'm a calling station, I really should though, but Ive top pair, AH FECK IT!!"

I bet you 10 quid he was not quick to show his hand, and if he showed first he had a puss on him that he was going to loose!!

masterclass

haha..pretty funny BOPS..

but the beat was WELL DESERVED

sikes

Did he have the A of clubs?

BigCityBanker

Gholli, Masterclass - please dont get hung up on my Q high holding - surely you can understand that I never expected this would win a pot in a showdown - I may as well have been playing 2/3.

Any comments on the play of the caller? I had him on a weak Ace - He did not have the Ace of Clubs - he had no clubs. After serious hesitation on the first two streets I have to admit I was pretty certain he would lay down for his stack. I was getting even money that he would lay down when I reckoned he was a longshot to call (his actions prior to calling confirming this) He called saying he was beat ffs and was moving his card to the muck unexposed even after he called expecting that i had him beat.

Put yourself in the callers shoes? Were his actions good? This was the EPM qualifier in the SE btw. Villian is a known player btw- Ian & Tony - please do not reveal his identity if you guys can remember it.

ty.

sikes

BigCityBanker wrote:

Gholli, Masterclass - please dont get hung up on my Q high holding - surely you can understand that I never expected this would win a pot in a showdown - I may as well have been playing 2/3.

Any comments on the play of the caller? I had him on a weak Ace - He did not have the Ace of Clubs - he had no clubs. After serious hesitation on the first two streets I have to admit I was pretty certain he would lay down for his stack. I was getting even money that he would lay down when I reckoned he was a longshot to call (his actions prior to calling confirming this) He called saying he was beat ffs and was moving his card to the muck unexposed even after he called expecting that i had him beat.

Put yourself in the callers shoes? Were his actions good? This was the EPM qualifier in the SE btw. Villian is a known player btw- Ian & Tony - please do not reveal his identity if you guys can remember it.

ty.

So what are you trying to represent? Its difficult to know if his play was good. how have you been playing? would you raise with a stronger ace preflop? would you bet the FD OOP with an a on the flop? would you lead with 2 pair on a A high board knowing villain has prob got an A or will bet it anyway?

bops

imo he should have reraised you on the flop
you would have folded
and everyone would be happy

5starpool

If you figure this guy for a weak A as a large part of his limping range then I would not bet an A high flop into him. The majority of players who like to limp from anywhere with a weak A will not lay it down under most circumstances once they hit their A on the flop. Bluffing bad players is not the way to win at this game. If he is not a bad player then why the hell is he limping from MP with A7?

I don't particularly like the way this guy played the hand to be honest, but I am not over impressed with how you played it either.

Hitman Actual

The fact that he just limped preflop with A7 definately paints him as a bit of a fish anyway. But the problem with the hand is you've also played it strangely, imo. I don't think you're representing anything really believable, and that's obviously put enough of a doubt in villains mind. So while his call is marginal at best, you've done enough in the hand to get his suspicions up, making his call nearly respectable.

BigCityBanker

Not raising preflop was my mistake.

I have seen a couple of flops when not BB other then that I have played one hand in first hour and more than doubled up when I got it all in on the river after betting out the first two street.

Hitman Actual

BigCityBanker wrote:

Not raising preflop was my mistake.

Meh, I don't think so. If you want to raise pre, you might as well just stick the lot in.

Gholimoli

Not raising with Q6s from BB pre-flop was not your mistake. Blowing your entire stack to initially pick up a limped pot with a few hundred in it is a big mistake.
Im not hung up about your hand being Q high.
The problem here is whether or not it was necessary?
Going out of a tournament with a bluff is fine IMO, you cant be a good poker player if you don’t bluff and there is not a player in the world who’s bluffs will get through all the time .the problem here (which was a big leak in my game as well for a while) is the risk/reward ratio and looking the tournament as a whole as oppose to the hand in isolation.
If you look at the hand in isolation then you have attempted a 3-barrel bluff, which didn’t get through, no big deal right. But what you have actually done is eliminated your self from tourney, blowing a 4K stack (or whatever your stack was) to pick up a fraction of your stack giving up a chance of winning $$$$ .
Now you can blame the person who called you all you want and say he made a bad call blah blah but the point is he is playing at his level and you are playing at your level. Being able to execute a 3-barrel bluff and thinking he can’t call does not put you at a higher level but being able to accurately judge his level and hence his actions and adjusting properly to this does.
I think being aggressive is the new cool thing to be in poker and people are just losing sight of the basics and ABC’s and the fundamentals that until recently is what they thought was separating them from the fish.

ianmc38

The villain in this hand makes a 3-barrel bluff a million times worse.

Ste05

Possibly the first and last time I'll ever say this, but, Nice post Gholi...

jimbling

Ste05 wrote:

Possibly the first and last time I'll ever say this, but, Nice post Gholi...

beat me too it

RoundTower

think you should give up on turn.

BigCityBanker

The villian in question was none other than Chief Brody - we regularly face each other down across the felt. I am not an agressive player and rarely try this move. I posted this for comments as 9/10 I would have laid down to the flop bet (I wouldnt have limped btw), I certainly would have laid down to the turn bet and I would never even consider calling the river push.

He admitted to me afterwards that he didnt understand why he called and thought I had an Ace but did suggest that the fact that he could reload was a major influence! (Not very sound rational for calling imo). At each street he was about to fold but his poker brain told him to call. This effectively amounts to him calling on the strength of a 7 high kicker.

charlesanto

cardshark202 wrote:

When someone bets, gets called and doesn't slow down when a scare card comes, and then gets called again and still refuses to slow down, they have the nuts or nothing. This is super-spewy. I would snap-call you with 22 here.

What cardsh said ....
Your betting contradicts itself firstly limping...
Then representing a made hand on the flop...
Then representing the flush on the turn...
Then on the river you overbet the pot screaming "i've nothing please go away"

sikes

i have only played the chief a few times. but i am sure at this stage that he knows that people know that he does the betting for them. the chief is not the person to try this against. you have to be creative in your bluffs, this was just out and out recklessness.

LuckyLloyd

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Hectorjelly

Initially I thought this was well played, the turn card is perfect and most of the time an average player will fold his ace by the river; but of all the poker players I can think the chief is probably the worst to try this on.

Gholis post (IMO) wasnt a paticularly good one as he made a pretty basic error. Its an error to think the 3k (or whatever it was) all in on the river in terms of picking up the tiny post flop pot, each action needs to be judged on its own merits and at that stage the pot has grown considerably. In fact the OPs line is so strong (contary to all of the posts in this thread) that he almost got the chief to lay down top pair!

ocallagh

Similar to what cardshark202 said, some opponents might find it hard to put you on a hand here, apart from a well played flush or a complete bluff. It depends on how tight you are perceived by other players, but you may well get a call from a good player here (for entirely different reasons than Chief Brody's "Ah Feck it I can reload" reasoning.......)

My main point though - Poker (especially live poker) is all about situations and opponents. You tried to take the BIGGEST calling station off a hand!

If you had a tight image at the table and Harold had the A7 (hypothetically speaking) I would say well played, but in this instance it was a big mistake

Gholimoli

Hectorjelly wrote:

Initially I thought this was well played, the turn card is perfect and most of the time an average player will fold his ace by the river; but of all the poker players I can think the chief is probably the worst to try this on.

Gholis post (IMO) wasnt a paticularly good one as he made a pretty basic error. Its an error to think the 3k (or whatever it was) all in on the river in terms of picking up the tiny post flop pot, each action needs to be judged on its own merits and at that stage the pot has grown considerably. In fact the OPs line is so strong (contary to all of the posts in this thread) that he almost got the chief to lay down top pair!

Hector,
I didn’t say that his shove on the river was a bad one or a good one .i understand the actions being independent and by the time the hand got to river the pot was so large that prob the only way of winning it was a shove.
If you read my post I said im not looking at the hand in isolation.
That’s what you’re doing though, your commenting on how this particular hand was played with no regards to the overall tourney.
If the object of tourney poker is to get all the chips in play and use your current stack as a tool to make this happen then you will see that the hero’s stack was not used in that manner at all.
The move started by hero wanting to pick up a very small pot (in relation to his stack) with a very weak hand, out of position, against multiple opponents, will almost zero chance of making the best hand, which meant his bluff would have to succeed 100% of the time him to win the pot, against a player whom he knew that is very incapable of folding hands. This IMO is bad tourney poker and this is what I was referring to in the other post.
The action on the turn was, pretty much the same except the pot was bigger making the reward higher but the risk higher as well so again the risk/reward ration doesn’t change much and the same on the river.

BigCityBanker

I think alot of you guys are misunderstanding the chiefs style of play and confusing it with what you expect he is like. I have spent hours upon hours playing with the chief. He likes to dominate for sure and also likes to pounce on weakness (of course he also likes getting it in behind). I have found the best way to play the chief is to take him out of his comfort zone i.e. the one where you give him the advantage to dominate. I have done this many times - if he has position on you - well then strike the first blow, put pressure on him to think a bit harder about his holding. If you have position on him, re-raise him (even with air) and let him dwell on his hand. I have found this to work very well on the Chief and he does lay down to it - he is not the all singing all dancing callingstation that you read about here everyday - alot of you guys only read about his amazing suckout hands and dont see his play regularly first hand.

In the hand in question after firing the first bullet, i had to fire again or to not do so would be a serious sign of the weakness - at which stage the chief would have gobbled up the pot with a strong bet having sensed my weakness. Ok he calls again - I have him on the ropes - he has reluctantly called twice. There is c.3k in the pot - Im getting even money that he will fold. Thats even money about what at the time I see as a 1/6 shot - this is +EV in the long run for me. You rarely if ever will see a player call this river bet having showed such hesitation at the first two streets.

Gholimoli - In case you didnt read it, may I draw your attention to the tagline on this thread "comments on the play in this hand please" - I have not asked about its implications on my tournament as a whole - I am well capable of deciphering them myself

Gholimoli

Dude chill,
Im not disputing your capabilities as a player.
You asked about how the hand was played and I gave my opinion.
Part of what makes the hand is your opponent.
In this case you were trying to make an opponent who does not fold much, fold.
Im aware of Chief’s style, I have played with him before, I have also bluffed him and got him to fold a better hand than mine for a huge pot.
I can confidently say that he would almost never fold TP,and extend that comment to say never when that TP is an A.
Now based on that your play is a bad one .now you keep going on about how any other play would fold or how he almost folded but he is not any other player and I don’t really understand what almost fold means?
Im sorry but my opinion remains that this play was an necessarily, bad timed, ill judged bluff which knock you out of the tourney.

Hectorjelly

Gholimoli wrote:

Hector,
I didn’t say that his shove on the river was a bad one or a good one .i understand the actions being independent and by the time the hand got to river the pot was so large that prob the only way of winning it was a shove.
If you read my post I said im not looking at the hand in isolation.
That’s what you’re doing though, your commenting on how this particular hand was played with no regards to the overall tourney.
If the object of tourney poker is to get all the chips in play and use your current stack as a tool to make this happen then you will see that the hero’s stack was not used in that manner at all.
The move started by hero wanting to pick up a very small pot (in relation to his stack) with a very weak hand, out of position, against multiple opponents, will almost zero chance of making the best hand, which meant his bluff would have to succeed 100% of the time him to win the pot, against a player whom he knew that is very incapable of folding hands. This IMO is bad tourney poker and this is what I was referring to in the other post.
The action on the turn was, pretty much the same except the pot was bigger making the reward higher but the risk higher as well so again the risk/reward ration doesn’t change much and the same on the river.

First off I think you are totally right regarding the opponent, given who he is I think the turn and river play are awful. Even the flop is bad. But I would respectfully disagree with the rest of your argument.

First of all the flop play is fine (normally), and your description of it is crazy. He had 2 opponents (one of which is the sb) and he was only out of position to one of them. Also the fact that he is out of position is irrelevant; (for some reason people often add this in as an argument for their preferred line even when position is totally irrelevant for the decision). The flop is ace high and with only one limper this is a perfect spot to try and take the pot. Most of the time if the limper doesnt have an ace he will fold.

Secondly your tournament strategy argument is muddled (and wrong anyway IMO) you sum it up and add at the end as part of the argument that bluffing a player incapable of folding is bad tournament strategy; I dont really get the point of you saying that.

smurph

BigCityBanker wrote:

I think alot of you guys are misunderstanding the chiefs style of play and confusing it with what you expect he is like. I have spent hours upon hours playing with the chief. He likes to dominate for sure and also likes to pounce on weakness (of course he also likes getting it in behind). I have found the best way to play the chief is to take him out of his comfort zone i.e. the one where you give him the advantage to dominate. I have done this many times - if he has position on you - well then strike the first blow, put pressure on him to think a bit harder about his holding. If you have position on him, re-raise him (even with air) and let him dwell on his hand. I have found this to work very well on the Chief and he does lay down to it - he is not the all singing all dancing callingstation that you read about here everyday - alot of you guys only read about his amazing suckout hands and dont see his play regularly first hand.

In the hand in question after firing the first bullet, i had to fire again or to not do so would be a serious sign of the weakness - at which stage the chief would have gobbled up the pot with a strong bet having sensed my weakness. Ok he calls again - I have him on the ropes - he has reluctantly called twice. There is c.3k in the pot - Im getting even money that he will fold. Thats even money about what at the time I see as a 1/6 shot - this is +EV in the long run for me. You rarely if ever will see a player call this river bet having showed such hesitation at the first two streets.

Gholimoli - In case you didnt read it, may I draw your attention to the tagline on this thread "comments on the play in this hand please" - I have not asked about its implications on my tournament as a whole - I am well capable of deciphering them myself

By what you said with the hand, I get the feeling that maybe the Chief was afraid that he was being bluffed off a pot. Now I have only played with you in a cash game, but maybe the Chief was also playing the player, and afraid of a bluff being shown, he decided to call...

If I was was going to try a bluff (and i very rarely do:rolleyes: ) there is a list of people I would try to avoid doing it to 1. Chief Brody, 2. Stew (regular from Fitz, grey hair, looks like a teddy bear) 3. Captain Zitto (slow rolls everything) and of course all the rocks who post here (cough Cough)

The fact that I now know its the chief in the hand his range here is huge and he could have snigged a 9 on the flop. Hard luck, you almost pushed the chief off a pot which in itself would have been a major feat.

I think your stragegy against the chief is good, get the chips in first and put him on a decision. Bearing in mind you did not connect with the flop at all. Did you think about the check re-raise senario?, just a thought. Because you were first to act and he called your first bet, you really did have to keep firing at the pot.

Gholimoli

Hectorjelly wrote:

First off I think you are totally right regarding the opponent, given who he is I think the turn and river play are awful. Even the flop is bad. But I would respectfully disagree with the rest of your argument.

First of all the flop play is fine (normally), and your description of it is crazy. He had 2 opponents (one of which is the sb) and he was only out of position to one of them. Also the fact that he is out of position is irrelevant; (for some reason people often add this in as an argument for their preferred line even when position is totally irrelevant for the decision). The flop is ace high and with only one limper this is a perfect spot to try and take the pot. Most of the time if the limper doesnt have an ace he will fold.

Secondly your tournament strategy argument is muddled (and wrong anyway IMO) you sum it up and add at the end as part of the argument that bluffing a player incapable of folding is bad tournament strategy; I dont really get the point of you saying that.

if you be more spesific about what part of my description you find crazy maybe i can elaborate.

the first attempt at the pot on the flop is fine ,however i think its crazy to say position is irrelevent here!
ofcourse position in relevent,
Of course position is relevant.
To show just how relevant it is suppose the same exact setup, except the BB checks here and chief has 23o and bets at the pot.
Do you think the steel attempt would have the same success rate from both positions?
I think its crazy to say it would.

In one case the attempt has been made with out any knowledge of one opponents hand and in the other one the attempt is made after both opponents have checked their hand.
Also I wasn’t giving much tourney strategy, I was mostly pointing out that the chips could be used in a smarter way when your risk/reward ration is better than the current spot. I also gave my overall opinion about the hand, which was essentially trying to bluff a player who does not fold much if he hits anything.

BigCityBanker

Smurph,

I left the SE that night trying to justify how he called me. I had a very solid table image having been involved in one hand post flop and taking it down after an all in on the river. I am not an agro player and would on the whole consider myself a TAG tourney player. He admitted to me that he thought I was representing an Ace yet still called. Like yourself I was left to think that he called out of fear of being showed a bluff, not necessarily fear of being showed a bluff by me, but just being showed a bluff in general.

BCB.

PS: Have HJ and Gholi ever played heads up. I think a crowd would gather to witness such an event.

Flushdraw

I was at the table for this hand BCB and i had u figured for a bluff. I've played with the chief more times than most, and if i had of had a hand in your position, i'd have been checking and letting the chief do the betting with top pair.

I dont think he was ever going to fold top pair, as u said earlier, for fear of being shown a bluff. Players have gotten tremendous plaeasure of late of chiefing the chief or bluffing him and rubbing his nose in it.

Also, this was a rebuy wasnt it?? Another factor in him calling..

BigCityBanker

Flushdraw wrote:

I was at the table for this hand BCB and i had u figured for a bluff.

Yeah, but you were the best player at the table Tony - I would have clearly expected that you would have me figured for a bluff and not tried this against you.

Anyway - id not have shown him the bluff. I always have the nuts :rolleyes:

Flushdraw

BigCityBanker wrote:

Yeah, but you were the best player at the table Tony - I would have clearly expected that you would have me figured for a bluff and not tried this against you.

"YES. IT WAS A WEAK TABLE....!!!"

Save ur time Ianmc,Halfbaked,LuckyLloyd,Ollyk etc etc...i got there before yis...

modmuffin

I was at the table too & couldnt figure out why you were bluffing the chief during the rebuy period.
Also, Ive yet to see the chief fold once he goes into the tank, however he did come pretty close (which surprised me)

Personally, if i had decided to bluff him, i would have check raised the chief's inevitable over-bet on the flop & moved all-in on the turn, and im still not sure if he would have folded