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Two live cash game hands

  • 31-10-2006 2:43pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭


    Hand 1:
    Villain is average; loose preflop and bluffs way too much. Blinds 1-3, I have €250, villain has €200. I open raise to €12 from the cut-off with 97d, villain is the only caller in the BB.

    Flop (27) is 9-high with one diamond, I bet 20 when it's checked to me, villain calls.

    Turn is another rag diamond, so I have top-pair (all-be-it weak kicker) and flush draw. I bet 40, villain pushes. I??

    Hand 2:
    Villain is solid and a good enough player, capable of mixing it up, and definately not an idiot. He has ~€1500, I have ~€800. Blinds are still 1-3, villain open-raises to €35 from UTG+1, which generally means 99+ and AK, but occasionally AJ+ or a lower pair. I call from the cut-off with AsQh. One other caller.

    Flop (€109): Kc Qc rag. Villain bets 125, I call, other player folds.

    Turn (€359) is the Ace of clubs. Check-check.

    River is the 5 of clubs (Kc Qc rag Ac 5c). Villain thinks for a while and bets €300. I??

    Comments on all streets, please.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭pok3rplaya


    1) Check the turn behind in situations like this. It sucks to get pushed off a draw here. Your hand isn't strong enough to get more value on the turn, check for pot control and if you are behind then you welcome the chance to improve to a winning hand.

    2) What would people think if I was to say push becuse he opened from UTG+1 and all the high clubs are on the board?

    I think its a fold btw. Actually I think it's a fold preflop based on your description of the villian.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭ollyk1


    Hand 1. Call.

    We could be good or we could be drawing but we're getting a reasonable price if all our outs are good. He can't really put us on a FD with a set (hit on the flop or turn) so I think we have two pair outs and set outs as well as the FD or else we're ahead. You don't say how much the board is straightening but I assume it is to some degree my guess is he has some sort of pair draw type hand enough of the time for this to be a standard call.


    Hand 2

    Don't like the preflop call.

    Flop is okay

    I think I bet the turn.

    I think the river is a fold


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    Hand 1: I call mostly.

    Hand 2: I bet turn, fold to a shove. Fold river as played.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭handsfree


    hand 1: fold

    hand 2 : shove, the guy might have a set and be pushed off.

    quilifier: i haven't played since march and the other posters seem to disagree so take advise with caution


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    #1 check the turn. as played fold

    #2 fold preflop vs that range


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    Hand 1:
    as played call .
    as has been said i think its ok to sometimes check behind on the turn as he will attempt a bluff when a flush hits some times or he will just bluff thinking you are weak.


    Hand 2:
    based on the range of hands you have given villain and the fact that he is a good player i would fold your hand pre-flop.
    bet the turn and fold to a shove.
    i actually thinks he has got JJ or a set here often so its a fold for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    Hand 1: I bet more on the turn if I'm betting.

    Hand 2: Fold preflop, fold flop and fold river.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭ollyk1


    handsfree wrote:
    hand 1: fold

    hand 2 : shove, the guy might have a set and be pushed off.

    quilifier: i haven't played since march and the other posters seem to disagree so take advise with caution


    Meh I don't think disagreeing is anything to be ashamed of!! :)

    I can't see why shoving could be a good idea in hand 2. I think you get called by the goods and you win nothing when you are ahead. Unless you see a small flush laying down here for €340 more and you think the €300 bet was a blocker/value bet but that would be seriously read dependent. I'd want to have seen him make these types of folds before I'd even think about trying it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭bops


    Villain in hand 1 sounds like me! - I think he has 2 raggy pairs here - but call/fold are both good here - tricky one! - if I am the actual villian here - fold is your best move :)

    Hand 2 - don't call preflop
    I'd call 300 - don't think he has flush - If you reraise here you will only be called by a better hand

    Just a guess - you won the 1st one, but lost to a set in the 2nd - i'm always totally wrong but God loves a trier!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,404 ✭✭✭Goodluck2me


    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    On the second one you have made your hand on the turn. I think you should bet three quarters of the pot at that point. The river card is pretty horrible. I think he checks the turn because he picked up a flush draw as part of his pocket pair of Jacks or 10s. Fold.
    i think thats a good read. JcJs or the like probably.

    Bet pot on the turn, flod now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    Hand 1 - check the turn - as played I would have to know what the other cards were, but you might have to call for pot odds, but I wouldnt like it.

    Hand 2 - fold preflop. AQo sux - especially when his open raise means 99+/AK.
    Save your money for when he does this and you have HIM dominated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭Hitman Actual


    Results:

    Hand 1: I insta-called, he had Q3o, no pair, no st draw and was drawing to two queens. One of which arrived, of course. (I'm not making this out to be a bad beat, I don't care tbh. I'll take this situation any time, any day against this guy).

    Hand 2: I folded, and he really surprised me by showing 97h. This was the first time I ever saw this guy getting out of line, ever (although maybe I don't know him as well as I thought). But I think I'm beaten here a lot more than the 2/1 (or so) that I need for the call to be good. And I agree that my call preflop was fishy, but in fairness I was beered up!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭Hitman Actual


    LuckyLloyd wrote:
    On the second one you have made your hand on the turn. I think you should bet three quarters of the pot at that point. The river card is pretty horrible. I think he checks the turn because he picked up a flush draw as part of his pocket pair of Jacks or 10s. Fold.

    My thoughts were exactly that, JcJx or TcTx. But I also think that the Ace does nothing for my hand, and in fact just weakens it. If I was ahead on the flop, I'm still ahead now, going by my pre-flop opinions of his range.


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