The Art Of Tilting Someone / Table Chat

sikes

Anyone have any advice on how to tilt someone either live or online, without the sucking out approach, i have mastered that.

anyone seen any articles on the subject. i dont do speech play live at all, and online all i do is berate people for being from countries not as cool as ours and the odd time if they are clowns.

wouldnt mind learning to extract info through a bit of chat.

anyone?

Rnger

type zzzzzzzzz if theyre taking ages on a call that you want them to make... ive been called with as little as A high when doing that. Very unethical

NickyOD

Personally sikes I think you should concentrate on the other weak parts of your game since it obviously needs drastic improvement.



are you tilted yet?

dvdfan

Try buying into a cash game with the minumum, go all-in with every hand no matter what you have, if your lucky enough to double up a couple of times then max buy-in when you go bust (unless you get really lucky) and take advantage of the other 8 players on tilt.

dont forget to throw in a bit of idle chit chat... hello everyone, having a nice day, lovely weather etc etc

kincsem

Every hand you don't play, tell them when it is over, what you would have had e.g. "If I had called your 5000 bet with 62, I would have filled a straight on the river"

bohsman

kincsem wrote:

Every hand you don't play, tell them when it is over, what you would have had e.g. "If I had called your 5000 bet with 62, I would have filled a straight on the river"

Sounds familiar. I can think of a few regulars in the Fitz who are ready to cry when they see you at the same table as them.

ianmc38

Everyone is tiltable. It's not very a nice thing to do though, so I refrain from even trying...

LuckyLloyd

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sikes

ianmc38 wrote:

Everyone is tiltable. It's not very a nice thing to do though, so I refrain from even trying...

i personally would have a problem doing it on a cash table, however in a tournament situation i think its fair game to try to tilt someone.

But its more the things to say to someone when calling / looking for a call or fold that you can say that i am looking for. might visit a shrink for some advice. anyone want to go halfs on a visit?!

MrPillowTalk

My personal favourite is when someone shows a strong hand after their bet is not called. I usually respond with "theres no need to show us it was so obvious you should have just stuck them to your forehead as you made the bet"

they wont like you much but they will get tilty.

Glowingmind

Comment on every hand they play that you're not involved in, and no matter how well they play it, explain what they did wrong.
Being really annoying is pretty good in general. Every single hand, when you look at your cards say "The rules of bridge??"
Singing is good too.
Stroking their knee and referring to them as "sweetheart" works too.(this is based on them being a bloke, and you also being a bloke)

nicnicnic

Glowingmind wrote:

Comment on every hand they play that you're not involved in, and no matter how well they play it, explain what they did wrong.
Being really annoying is pretty good in general. Every single hand, when you

sounds like dave masters

DeadParrot

if you pull off a big bluff with air
turn them face up and say
"you're playing with the big boys now"
heard matasow doing that and I wanted to punch him

ianmc38

BTW sikes, i coudln't imagine you tilting anyone. You need to become louder and more obnoxious/arrogant, like Dave Masters or LuckyLloyd.

5starpool

nicnicnic wrote:

sounds like dave masters

Sounds more like Dave Fox to me for those that know him, especially the second half of the description.

I don't like trying to put people on Tilt as that is a wankerish thing to do to be honest. Trying to goad someone into a call through speachplay is one thing and if it works then fine, but trying to deliberately upset someone isn't a nice way to operate. I have seen some underhanded and below the belt things at tables, and while it makes me all the more satisfied to see them go broke, it doesn't put me on tilt.

BreadBoard

Wikipedia wrote:

Putting others "on tilt" Any player with a decent amount of play-time under their belts can beat a table filled with bet-crazy “maniacs” who will go all-in with any two cards. However, winning at a poker table that has eight fifty year-old men who only bet or raise if they have two face cards and fold under the slightest amount of pressure is much more difficult. Putting a player on tilt infuriates them to the point where they will call or raise almost any bet made.
The act of putting someone on tilt may not pay off in the short run, but if some time is put into practicing it, a player can quickly become an expert at “tilting” other players (with or without bad manners). In theory, the long-run payoff of this tactic is a positive expectation, although it has been observed (e.g. by David Sklansky) that a more profitable strategy is likely to be superior table selection.
Some of the more common methods of putting a table on tilt include:

1. Playing junk hands that have only a slight chance of winning in the hope of sucking out on the turn or the river and delivering a bad beat (this can be an enjoyable occasional style which will make the table’s play “looser”, and has been ‘perfected’ by players such as Daniel Negreanu in low and middle-limit play.)
2. Victimizing certain individuals at the table, (which is often considered a more old-fashioned tactic, identified with 1970s “verbal” experts such as Amarillo Slim.)
3. Pretending to be drunk, i.e. hustling, excellently demonstrated by Paul Newman vs. Robert Shaw in The Sting (although his technique included cheating).
4. Constant chattering, making weird noises and motions whenever you win a hand, or other erratic behaviour is a “tilting” or “loosening” approach first discussed by Mike Caro.
5. Taking an incredibly long time to announce and show your hand at the showdown. (Such deliberate breaches of etiquette have the side effect of slowing play and risking barring, thereby limiting the earnings of the expert player. For this, and other social reasons, such tactics are mostly associated with the novice.)

All of the above have been recommended as methods of upsetting the other players at the table, with the intention of having them betting into your winning hands, and playing sub-optimally.

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ianmc38

5starpool wrote:

Sounds more like Dave Fox to me for those that know him, especially the second half of the description.

I don't like trying to put people on Tilt as that is a wankerish thing to do to be honest. Trying to goad someone into a call through speachplay is one thing and if it works then fine, but trying to deliberately upset someone isn't a nice way to operate. I have seen some underhanded and below the belt things at tables, and while it makes me all the more satisfied to see them go broke, it doesn't put me on tilt.

Ah I like Dave, sound enough bloke.

There are certain times when I put people on tilt through speechplay (when I can get away with it of course). I think it's a fundamental part of the game. I remember putting a guy called Kevin (lawyer who plays the Fitz) on tilt and having his entire stack donated to me as a result.

I also did it to an irregular boards poster (didn't even know him at the time) so he took an extended break in the pub for an hour.

Sure tis all a bitta craic.

The one problem with tilting others is that half the time it doesn't work so i just tilt myself. Lol

5starpool

Don't get me wrong, I think Dave is a nice lad too, but I know he does get on some peoples tits. I get on well with him though. I don't think I have ever seen Kevin Farrelly on tilt, you must have been talking some sh1t to him. I have seen him gamble it up, especially if chasing losses, but I wouldn't regard that as tilt.

MrPillowTalk

Any player with a decent amount of play-time under their belts can beat a table filled with bet-crazy “maniacs” who will go all-in with any two cards. However, winning at a poker table that has eight fifty year-old men who only bet or raise if they have two face cards and fold under the slightest amount of pressure is much more difficult.

Personally I think it would be easier to play the second table.

ollyk1

5starpool wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I think Dave is a nice lad too, but I know he does get on some peoples tits. I get on well with him though. I don't think I have ever seen Kevin Farrelly on tilt, you must have been talking some sh1t to him. I have seen him gamble it up, especially if chasing losses, but I wouldn't regard that as tilt.

I have seen him on a tilt a few times but I don't think its due to poker necessarily. Sometimes he comes to the game on tilt.

As for Ian actually staying off tilt long enough to put anyone on tilt. LOL!

Flushdraw

DeadParrot wrote:

if you pull off a big bluff with air
turn them face up and say
"you're playing with the big boys now"

Chief Brody has adopted this strategy since he got back for the William Hill tournie..

ianmc38

ollyk1 wrote:

I have seen him on a tilt a few times but I don't think its due to poker necessarily. Sometimes he comes to the game on tilt.

As for Ian actually staying off tilt long enough to put anyone on tilt. LOL!

Lol. So true.

The night I had Kevin on tilt i was talking non-stop for about 2 hours. Told me my mammy had never taught me manners and donked all his chips in with 3s against my QQ. That was sweet.

bops

outplaying your opponents works the best, also slowing the game down is a particular tactic that drives me mad - my dad used to play real dumb - taking an eternity to count his chips (cash in those days!) to call a bet - and always put in less than required - worked a treat!!

5starpool

bops wrote:

also slowing the game down is a particular tactic that drives me mad - my dad used to play real dumb - taking an eternity to count his chips (cash in those days!) to call a bet - and always put in less than required - worked a treat!!

Actually that is the closest I get to going on tilt really, especailly when the dealer is the culpable one. An example is when you put in your chips and count them when you have them in, in a logical, transparent fashion, but they still see the need to recount them. Slow dealing is the worst. I am nearly on tilt now thinking about it. Just as well I have no poker outlet now.

Wisesmurf

Glowingmind wrote:

Comment on every hand they play that you're not involved in, and no matter how well they play it, explain what they did wrong.
Being really annoying is pretty good in general. Every single hand, when you look at your cards say "The rules of bridge??"
Singing is good too.
Stroking their knee and referring to them as "sweetheart" works too.(this is based on them being a bloke, and you also being a bloke)

Reminds me of how you played in the WPT (wicklow poker tour)
Shauna Hyatt was soooo hot that day....

nicnicnic

Tilting someone can backfire on you aswell. At a recent game in the emporium i had this conversation with Dave Masters.

A guy who Masters had been goading for the previous three hours come over the top of Dave with a missed 9 high flush draw on the river with a board showing AAkQx after Dave had fired 5k at it. Now I could be wrong as I don't know the player but having played with him for a few hours I just don't think he had that play in him. As i said to Dave at the time it was his harassment that brought it out and it backfired on him. Dave reply was "well that's the way I play" fair enough.

jbravado

I personally find Dave a nightmare to play with as his constant chatter regarding pots invariably tilts me.However this is his style and I have never found him to be particularly offensive or nasty.

A deliberate attempt to put an individual player on tilt is part of the game however if this turns into rude or insulting behaviour it goes too far imo.
Table talk etc is a fundamental part of the live game and for me is one of the most enjoyable and important aspects.

A guy I play with on a regular basis used to tilt me due to the length he took deciding on what to do-this was until I realised the length of time he took directly corresponded to the strenght of his hand.I havent lost a pot to him since.

kincsem

Like a Night Club in the morning, you’re the bitter end.
Like a recently disinfected ****-house, you’re clean round the bend.
You give me the horrors
too bad to be true
All of my tomorrow’s
are lousy coz of you.
You put the Shat in Shatter
Put the Pain in Spain
Your germs are splattered about
Your face is just a stain

You’re certainly no raver, commonly known as a drag.
Do us all a favour, here... wear this polythene bag.

You’re like a dose of scabies,
I’ve got you under my skin.
You make life a fairy tale... Grimm!

People mention murder, the moment you arrive.
I’d consider killing you if I thought you were alive.
You’ve got this slippery quality,
it makes me think of phlegm,
and a dual personality
I hate both of them.

Your bad breath, vamps disease, destruction, and decay.
Please, please, please, please, take yourself away.
Like a death a birthday party,
you ruin all the fun.
Like a sucked and spat our smartie,
you’re no use to anyone.
Like the shadow of the guillotine
on a dead consumptive’s face.
Speaking as an outsider,
what do you think of the human race

You went to a progressive psychiatrist.
He recommended suicide...
before scratching your bad name off his list,
and pointing the way outside.

You hear laughter breaking through, it makes you want to fart.
You’re heading for a breakdown,
better pull yourself apart.

Your dirty name gets passed about when something goes amiss.
Your attitudes are platitudes,
just make me wanna piss.

What kind of creature bore you
Was is some kind of bat
They can’t find a good word for you,
but I can...
TWAT.