yet another ruling question

Benglian

Hypothetically, but it does happen where I have toyed with the idea.

It's a PLO cash game in the Fitz.
You have been calling down the pot sized bets with the nut flush draw/something else with the bare A.
The board flushes up at the end, the bettor bets €300 (3/4 pot).
You instantly re-raise allin for around €700.

The original bettor goes into the tank.

Now there are times here when I really want to flash the relevant A.
I have never done it because I am not 100% sure that this doesn't make my hand dead.
So does it, or not?

And if you are the original bettor sitting there with the K flush, and someone flashes the A, is it more or less likely that you call?

opr

Jamie gold does something like this at the Final table of the WSOP this year. I forget the exact hand but if i recall correctly it was a Jack he flashed which was one of the cards he needed to make a straight on a scary looking board for his opponent.

I think i would be more inclined to call if someone did this. Your hardly gonna show me if you have the nuts !!

I think it a fine line on whether what your doing is within the rules of the game.


Opr

5starpool

A world series ruling has no relevance on a ruling which may be given in the Fitz.

opr

5starpool wrote:

A world series ruling has no relevance on a ruling which may be given in the Fitz.

No ruling was made , nobody seemed to even question what had happened.

I was just pointing out that it has been done and on a much bigger stage than a PLO game in the fitz.

Opr

RasTa

Benglian wrote:

And if you are the original bettor sitting there with the K flush, and someone flashes the A, is it more or less likely that you call?

You joking ?
Although it depends what you mean by "flashing" Would not like to see any of those mind games at a poker table anyway.

bohsman

I call instantly if someone flashes the A, why would you flash the A risking your hand being called dead if you are sitting there with the nuts.

NickyOD

House rules vary but I would defnitely penalise someone for intentionally exposing their cards.

kakak1

there is no fixed rule on this, some clubs allow it others don't. Some allow it in tournaments but not cash games, some in both.

There is a need for a worldwide standard set of rules, will we ever see it

Benglian

NickyOD wrote:

House rules vary but I would defnitely penalise someone for intentionally exposing their cards.

Why would you do this?
I am allin and intentionally giving my opponent more information than he has otherwise, in order for him to decide whether to make a call or not?
How in any way shape or form are my actions disadvantageous to him, and so why should I be penalised for making them?

Now if HE was allin and I was deciding whether to call or not, you might have a point....

Benglian

RasTa wrote:

Would not like to see any of those mind games at a poker table anyway.

?
And there was me thinking that poker WAS a mind game.....

NickyOD

Benglian wrote:

Why would you do this?
I am allin and intentionally giving my opponent more information than he has otherwise, in order for him to decide whether to make a call or not?
How in any way shape or form are my actions disadvantageous to him, and so why should I be penalised for making them?

Now if HE was allin and I was deciding whether to call or not, you might have a point....

In order to prevent collusion, intentionally exposing cards shouldn't ever be allowed. Who's to say whether you actually want him to fold or call here since no one has seen your other cards?

RoundTower

Is that ppp pitboss? What a bad reason to give.

Benglian

NickyOD wrote:

In order to prevent collusion, intentionally exposing cards shouldn't ever be allowed. Who's to say whether you actually want him to fold or call here since no one has seen your other cards?

I am in a heads up situation with my opponent.
Please explain who I might actually be colluding with?