Couple of ruling queries

Rockfish

As the thread title says:
1. If a player bets out of turn is the bet binding?

2. If a player shows his two hole cards face up before the hand is over, is his hand declared dead?

Thanks

brianmc

Rockfish wrote:

As the thread title says:
1. If a player bets out of turn is the bet binding?

2. If a player shows his two hole cards face up before the hand is over, is his hand declared dead?

Thanks

1. Yes. No question about it.

2. I still don't know.

Glowingmind

1 - Yes

2 - I dunno, i think if they're still behind the line, they're still in play.

MickL

if hes showing them been a smartass yes his hand is dead

fixer

in many card rooms here in LA, if there is no action remaining, you can turn up your cards while contemplating a call.

Mellor

fixer wrote:

in many card rooms here in LA, if there is no action remaining, you can turn up your cards while contemplating a call.

I've came accross that "tactic" for getting a read in a poker book.

What if when you were picking up the cards you fumbled and flipped one or both over. You quickly recover, but some players may have seen.

cooker3

1. Absolutely

2. It depends where your playing, if it was green joker event then his hand would be dead I believe, in other places it wouldn't, it's more a house rule thing really if there any penalty and if so how severe the penalty is.

Goodluck2me

1. there was an arguement realting to this with the EPT recently saying that if a player acts out of turn, and the player before him raises the player acting out of turn should be able to take their money back. as if player B is shortstacked and needs to steal once a round, and its his button, the SB calls out of turn, he is more liely to get a caller here. im not sure if this rule is enforced yet though.

2. if on purpose hand is dead. if by accident they can call bu tnot raise any bets.

DeVore

I'm pretty militant about these two and would say yes and yes.
If you want to cry about "accidents" then I would say this is a grown ups game with money involved. Dont make mistakes.

I dont like the wishywashy "if it wasn't on purpose" etc exceptions because then it comes down to a judgement by the TD and while thats unavoidable on occasions, we should be creating rules to avoid those situations, not promoting them. Have any of you genuinely accidentally exposed your hand to an opponent? I cant think of an occasion when I have.

DeV.

JJP PokerMania

1. Yes bet stands, If one of the players that was skipped makes a bet which is higher. The person who betted out of turn can call that bet or fold (leaving his/her bet in the pot) but can not reraise.

2. This one is more difficult. I've seen it done both ways. I personally use US Rules which allows a player to only show their cards in a "winner take all tournament" or when your down to the final two players in the tournament. However if a player shows his hand while other players are still involved their hand IS NOT DEAD. The TD may give this player a warning about showing his cards and if he does if again the TD has the right to fold his hand.