QQ against total aggro lunatic on tilt

ocallagh

$3/$6 Tribeca

TYMUPPET is a total lunatic, and more so tonight than usual. I took a 1100 pot off him with AJ against his QJ on a Jxx board about 20 minutes ago... he does not drop TP easily. He doesn't always have tp though. He'll happily call a pot sized bet with 2nd pair. He makes it $30 every 2nd or 3rd hand. He's a total maniac. He bets out at nearly every pot. Another example. He re-raised my button steal to 60 with KQ and then bet out 60 on an Axx board. I called him down with A4 and it was good.

Anyway, action goes as follows:
stacks:
me: $1k
villain: $500

Villain (tymuppet) makes it $30 to go from cut off as he does.
UTG limps for $6
Button folds
SB (gholi himself) calls $30
BB (hero) calls with QcQs
UTG calls.

Flop (120) KcTc6c

SB checks
Hero Checks
UTG checks
Villain bets $100 leaving himself about 300 behind
SB folds
Hero?

ps: A lot of you will say raise pre-flop. The positive to just flat calling against this villain is I leave my range wide open to him and will stack him when he hits top pair. If I raise pre-flop he'll more than like call/fold the flop, or just fold.

valor

You really really really have to re raise preflop here

cardshark202

Ya re-pop it to 150 pre.

ocallagh

ok - forget about pre-flop*

what do you do now ON the flop after he bets $100?



*99/100 i will re-raise Joe Bloggs here, but I still prefer calling preflop against this guy:D He is not a total moron and in many ways his style is quite impressive. He really scares the **** out of you because he's not afaid to put in 500 on a bluff or with the nuts. He plays 3/6 very aggresively, but only really after the flop will he put a substantial amount in. Re-raising narrows my range considerably pre-flop, while flat calling gives him absolutely no information whatsoever. Once you have represented good strength (eg reraising OOP to 150) he will back down easily enough. It's the pots where you get tricky against him on the turn/river that work best. He gets attached to hands only on the flop/turn and river. He loves pushing people off hands too.

cardshark202

ocallagh wrote:

ok - forget about pre-flop*

what do you do now ON the flop after he bets $100?



*I still prefer calling preflop against this guy:D

poo.

I guess you can just call. if tymuppet is as mad as you say he is, you may* have the best hand and the best draw.



*reraise preflop

valor

OK, ignoring preflop :

I would call here. UTG Is still to act behind us. If UTG folds and the turn blanks, I would check call him if he shoves or crai if he bets less than all in.

Hectorjelly

I saw tymuppet put $200 of his $600 stack in with 23s once

valor

I have this guy datamined at 59/42/.9

You absolutely have to re raise preflop, espec considering your letting the SB and UTG in for cheap

ocallagh

valor wrote:

I have this guy datamined at 59/42/.9

You absolutely have to re raise preflop, espec considering your letting the SB and UTG in for cheap

Yeah, I have over 2k hands on him. 52/38

He does have the ability to slow down though... WHat are others thoughts on re-raising this type of villain pre-flop?

Lafortezza

Do you really want to play the hand 4-way though? I'd re-raise PF to get Gholi and UTG out, since he's likely to have a widish range when he calls the $30. QQ isn't massively strong.

As played, I think I'd call this flop, see if anyone behind us gets freaky, and see what the turn brings.

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

I saw tymuppet put $200 of his $600 stack in with 23s once

Hes not the only one who does this kind of thing from time to time though ... right?

Hectorjelly

fuzzbox wrote:

Hes not the only one who does this kind of thing from time to time though ... right?

Should of mentioned that he called it off preflop, i like to get to the river before committing!

Gholimoli

i saw the hand Nial and here are my thoughts on it:
pre-flop not reraising is fine IMO,as you said if he hits TP he will check call pretty much any bet so if he is raising with Jx and hits a J high flop he will donk his stack to you on check calling (depending how good his kicker is he may bet as well).
post flop play i would rather you check calling him rather than going in.
if you move in he will drop alot of the hands that he would almost always fire another shot or two with on a danger flop but when you move in he only calls there if he at least has a K there.
the end result would have been the same for you but i think in the long run your best off check calling against him when you dont have the bored beat.
your hand QQ still has show down value against his range as well .

i would never try to take him off the pot when i feel my hand has show down value against him.
pre-flop with position i some times make very big reraises with AA,AK against him to make it look like i dont want him to call,and some times as you saw with position i will make huge reraises with feck all(46o).
the thing about him is he thinks no one will play junks against him and he is only getting reraised with very big hands so in my exprince it pays off to some times reraise him with junk ,if the bored comes high then he will give you cridet for it and fold to be bet post flop and if you hit it with a low flop he will never put you on it and will donk off his stack.(just dont 4bet him with 46o like me ,i still think my play was good as he would only call there with AA,KK,QQ).
i love playing him with position and hate playing him OOP.
how did you finish last nite anyway?

Hectorjelly

there was a similar thread here a few months ago when I outlined what i thought was a good strategy against him, noone has it saved do they?

BigDragon

One of these:

Gholi's thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054942746&referrerid=&highlight=TYMUPPET

Gholi's Thread 2

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054939701&referrerid=&highlight=TYMUPPET

Gholi's Thread 3

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054937351&referrerid=&highlight=TYMUPPET

ocallagh

Gholimoli wrote:

i saw the hand Nial and here are my thoughts on it:
pre-flop not reraising is fine IMO,as you said if he hits TP he will check call pretty much any bet so if he is raising with Jx and hits a J high flop he will donk his stack to you on check calling (depending how good his kicker is he may bet as well).
post flop play i would rather you check calling him rather than going in.
if you move in he will drop alot of the hands that he would almost always fire another shot or two with on a danger flop but when you move in he only calls there if he at least has a K there.
the end result would have been the same for you but i think in the long run your best off check calling against him when you dont have the bored beat.
your hand QQ still has show down value against his range as well .

i would never try to take him off the pot when i feel my hand has show down value against him.
pre-flop with position i some times make very big reraises with AA,AK against him to make it look like i dont want him to call,and some times as you saw with position i will make huge reraises with feck all(46o).
the thing about him is he thinks no one will play junks against him and he is only getting reraised with very big hands so in my exprince it pays off to some times reraise him with junk ,if the bored comes high then he will give you cridet for it and fold to be bet post flop and if you hit it with a low flop he will never put you on it and will donk off his stack.(just dont 4bet him with 46o like me ,i still think my play was good as he would only call there with AA,KK,QQ).
i love playing him with position and hate playing him OOP.
how did you finish last nite anyway?

100% agree with all of this. I really enjoy being at his table. He makes you think a LOT. He also gets people involved in huge pots where they're not so comfortable. There is definitely money to be made with him at the table. He really pisses everyone else off which is great for the table.

I lost this pot to him obviously. I pushed and he called instantly with 72c. No miracle club for me and he takes the +1k pot. I think you are right though, calling is probably better... against this guy he won't drop the king to a push so no point in pushing!

I did ok after you left, I was knocked back to 450 but built it back to 1800 off the incredibly annoying shortstack guy, a few from TYMuppet with QQ again and also by stacking Larzhino with 88 on 8KA board (TYMuppet had kindly bloated the pot out of proportion pre-flop which made things easier!)I didn't see your hand, I just spotted you were sitting out. I presume you played back and he didn't fold!!

HJ: I read those posts and I fully agree with the following:

HJ wrote:

he makes money because people bluff him constantly, dont read his hands well and dont value bet aggressively against him

Gholimoli

i played alot with him after thoes posts and after a while i was very comfortable playing him in position and he was actually the reason i came to the table last night with a seat open that had position on him.
the hand i played against him was a makes it 30 ,i make it 80 from the button ,he makes it 180 and i shove my 500 in the pot with my 46o:D .it turned out he had KK.
i did it cuz even though i had called his raises before i had never reraised him in that session and was trying to represent AA,KK but timing was bad as he had the kings.
there is always money to be made from a table that he is on as he gets every one to play loos but i wouldnt really bother playing him out of position ,specially when he has a big stack.

sprocket1

aah now i getin some where, can i mention ur tribeca usernames on here?

for a short while i was thinkin tymuppet was a boards,ie player , is he irish ? you all seemed very familar with each other at the table