The Irish Indepedent- a right-wing paper??

swingking

Everyday I always buy the Irish Independent, but yesterday I bought it and my workmates informed my that i was a right-wing activist for buying it.

What gves, I'd rather buy that than a crappy tabloid informing me that a popstar has called off some boring marrige

What do you think

Ps I apologize if this is in the wrong forum

Rb

What paper do they get? If its The Sun/Herald you can take their opinions as worthless.

Rabies

News & Media

Anyway, I don't mind the Independent. Get it now and again or The Examiner.
I do get tabloids from time to time, but that is when I'm at work and just need something to numb the mind for 20min during lunch.

mike65

Right-wing activist? Wow, are your friends subscribers to the Morning Star?

Mike.

Karoma

Rabies wrote:

News & Media

I'm not sure it's worthy. PM sent to flogen.

constitutionus

check out wikipedias entry on it. according to them its right wing:D TBH like most irish newspapers its pretty much a tool for its owner. look at the coverage of the irish ferries situation. in comparison to other papers like the times it had virtually no coverage of it. strangely enough sir anto owns both concerns so go figure.

and to those slagging off the tabloids remember the daily star, the evening herald and the sunday world are all owned by the same group . independant news and media who also own, the indo

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Aren't most daily newspapers right-wing? This is a predominantly conservative country and that's reflected by the media we consume.

FlutterinBantam

I suppose the same guy who berated you for buying the Indo would.

Say you were priviledged if you saved a deposit and bought a house instead of depending on state handouts.

Say you were a snobif you bothered to speak correctly and use grammatically correct sentences.

Say you were stupid if you did an honest days work for an honest days pay.


I wouldn't loose too much sleep over it;)

Black Swan

swingking wrote:

Everyday I always buy the Irish Independent, but yesterday I bought it and my workmates informed my that i was a right-wing activist for buying it.

Can someone be a right-wing activist? Is this an oxymoron? Are right-wing conservative?

FlutterinBantam

Sure... Mr A Hitler, Mr F Franco, Mr M Mc Dowell, Dr I. K Paisley.

An activist means you are actively involved in something.

Peteee

The times tbh

The indo is a tabloid masquerading as a broadsheet

constitutionus

such as buying a news paper and defacto endorcing its stance honestly though most papers in the country are so middle of the road in terms of their politics its practically a moot issue. generally the only get stroppy when their financial concerns are affected i.e the "soft landing " we keep hearing about in the property market which has nothing what so ever to do with the immensely profitible property segments in all the broadsheets:)

tracert

swingking wrote:

The Irish Indepedent - a right-wing paper??

Sarcasm?

Black Swan

FlutterinBantam wrote:

An activist means you are actively involved in something.

Interesting...
Would this mean that the religious right in the USA is activitist in that they are very active advancing their conservative agenda? I doubt that they would identify with the term "activist," rejecting it as a leftist perspective associated with women's rights, choice, gay marriage, and other orientations related to change. Is there such a thing as a conservative-activist?

Captain Trips

Peteee wrote:

The times tbh

The indo is a tabloid masquerading as a broadsheet

Yeah that's my impression these days as well. A lot of the articles are just AP or reuters stuff that they nick off other papers.

The Sunday Independent is different, and mostly anti-male as far as I can tell.

Badly Drunk Boy

swingking wrote:

Everyday I always buy the Irish Independent, but yesterday I bought it and my workmates informed my that i was a right-wing activist for buying it.

What gves, I'd rather buy that than a crappy tabloid informing me that a popstar has called off some boring marrige

What do you think

Ps I apologize if this is in the wrong forum

Historically, YOU'RE A FASCIST!!!!

The Independent was a Fine Gael/Blue Shirt paper. The Irish versions oF Nazis. But very lame. Turns out that Fianna Fáil, their oppponents, were better buddies with the Nazis...

Kwekubo

swingking wrote:

What gves, I'd rather buy that than a crappy tabloid informing me that a popstar has called off some boring marrige

Sometimes I think there's little difference between the Indo and the redtops nowadays. I'd still choose it over the Oirish Sun etc though, although I usually only get the Times.

mike65

A lot of the articles are just AP or reuters stuff that they nick off other papers.

Thats something that can be said of all Irish papers with regards to foreign news.

Mike.

Karoma

Moved from AH to News & Media. (Go easy, Flogen)

FlutterinBantam

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Interesting...
Would this mean that the religious right in the USA is activitist in that they are very active advancing their conservative agenda? I doubt that they would identify with the term "activist," rejecting it as a leftist perspective associated with women's rights, choice, gay marriage, and other orientations related to change. Is there such a thing as a conservative-activist?

It would mean that a person active in promoting the religious right could be called "A religious right activist"

It would mean that a person active in promoting voting rights for dogs could be called a "Dogs Rights activist"

flogen

Just to respond to the OP:

swingking wrote:

Everyday I always buy the Irish Independent, but yesterday I bought it and my workmates informed my that i was a right-wing activist for buying it.

Your friends are a bit confused; buying a newspaper is about the lowest activity one can muster on the political scale, certainly in the case of the IN&M group papers (it's right wing, but it masks itself carefully).
By their definition a person is a left-wing activist because they take a leaflet off someone on the street, or because they buy The Guardian...
There's a difference between being right-wing and being a right-wing activist is my point... and I'd guess many who buy the IN&M newspapers wouldn't consider themselves right wing, and many actually wouldn't be.

What gves, I'd rather buy that than a crappy tabloid informing me that a popstar has called off some boring marrige

You mean the Irish Independent isn't catering for that "need" already? Last I checked it was well on the way to being as tabloid as they come.

Just for your information, if you do plan on switching newspaper, the following dailies are owned by the same company/person as The Irish Independent and are likely to be on the same side of the fence:
The Evening Herald, The Star, Herald AM (All Independent News & Media, owned by "Doctor" Tony O'Reilly, who also owns The London Independent, which is actually to the left due to the union influence I think. Also The Sunday World, Sunday Independent, Sunday Tribune)
The "Irish" Sun and The London Times (All Newscorp titles, owned by Rupert Murdoch who also owns The News of the World, Sunday Times, Sky/Sky News, Fox/Fox News etc.)
The "Irish" Daily Mail, The "Irish" Daily Mail on Sundays, The Metro (all Associated Titles, although the Metro seems to work pretty independently of the other two and is also half owned by The Irish Times.)
Not really sure what side The Examiner sits on; from what I've read it's centre-left but I'm not certain on that... that's owned by Thomas Crosbie Holdings, also owns the Sunday Business Post and countless regional titles.

MrJoeSoap

constitutionus wrote:

check out wikipedias entry on it.... look at the coverage of the irish ferries situation. in comparison to other papers like the times it had virtually no coverage of it.

Strangely enough, the wikipedia entry for the Irish Independent has an image of the front of the paper from November 2005... with an Irish Ferries story on the front page.

:rolleyes:

DMC

flogen wrote:

By their definition a person is a left-wing activist because they take a leaflet off someone on the street, or because they buy The Guardian...
There's a difference between being right-wing and being a right-wing activist is my point... and I'd guess many who buy the IN&M newspapers wouldn't consider themselves right wing, and many actually wouldn't be.

I buy both The Guardian and the Irish Independent.... so what does that make me?

Side note: Out of spite for Madam Editor's high moral tone against the recent poll findings, I've not buying the Irish Times. For a long time before that, it wasn't bought as often.

flogen wrote:

You mean the Irish Independent isn't catering for that "need" already? Last I checked it was well on the way to being as tabloid as they come.

I do think the change is size hasn't helped, but it has always had strong front pages.

flogen wrote:

owned by "Doctor" Tony O'Reilly

:eek: Bow before a Knight of the Realm! Sir Anthony to you.... or Sir AJF O'Reilly to his sub-editors.

flogen wrote:

who also owns The London Independent, which is actually to the left due to the union influence I think.

More down to its original owners in 1986 that it positioned itself beside the Guardian.

flogen wrote:

Not really sure what side The Examiner sits on; from what I've read it's centre-left but I'm not certain on that... that's owned by Thomas Crosbie Holdings, also owns the Sunday Business Post and countless regional titles.

About as middle of the road of any newspaper publisher around. But The Examiner still has Cork connotations, which makes me feel that it still has a hard time becoming a true national paper.

flogen

DMC wrote:

I buy both The Guardian and the Irish Independent.... so what does that make me?

A Commie-Nazi, obviously

Side note: Out of spite for Madam Editor's high moral tone against the recent poll findings, I've not buying the Irish Times. For a long time before that, it wasn't bought as often.

Yes, that whole affair really has damaged the newspaper in my eyes, or at least the Madam.

I do think the change is size hasn't helped, but it has always had strong front pages.

I noticed a drop in quality after the re-size but I think that was an effect rather than cause; the paper had been on that road for some time and it was all part of a repositioning; that's not to say that being tabloid-sized means you can't attract a middle-higher market but the fact is that being broadsheet generally precludes you from the LCD's of this world.
There are many moments that led to the decline of the Independent, it's been coming a long time too; the arrival of the Daily Mail being the most recent.

:eek: Bow before a Knight of the Realm! Sir Anthony to you.... or Sir AJF O'Reilly to his sub-editors.

More down to its original owners in 1986 that it positioned itself beside the Guardian.

Yes, but from what I understand when the doctor took over he tried to push it to the right; he was told by his staff there (and the NUJ branch in the paper) that if he did they'd bring the publication to its knees... so he just took a step back and lets it carry on as before; he's happy to have a UK presence.

About as middle of the road of any newspaper publisher around. But The Examiner still has Cork connotations, which makes me feel that it still has a hard time becoming a true national paper.

What I've read of it, yes it does seem to be pretty centrist; but if anything more likely to be left than right... and yes, it's still a very Cork-orientated paper, I guess there's a market there for a non-Dublin national if they can strike the balance, but they've yet to so far

monument

DMC wrote:

Side note: Out of spite for Madam Editor's high moral tone against the recent poll findings, I've not buying the Irish Times. For a long time before that, it wasn't bought as often.

Now, there's an activist.

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

Are right-wing conservative?

Not always

DMC

flogen wrote:

A Commie-Nazi, obviously

Indeed. I just need the swastika armband for the matching pair. I hear Harry Mountbatten-Windsor knows fancy dress shop I can get my hands on...

flogen wrote:

There are many moments that led to the decline of the Independent, it's been coming a long time too; the arrival of the Daily Mail being the most recent.

True, it "sharpened" its edge when it appeared.

flogen wrote:

Yes, but from what I understand when the doctor took over he tried to push it to the right; he was told by his staff there (and the NUJ branch in the paper) that if he did they'd bring the publication to its knees... so he just took a step back and lets it carry on as before; he's happy to have a UK presence.

Ah yes, now that you mention it, I seem to recall that episode. That thought didn't last long.

dSTAR

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Strangely enough, the wikipedia entry for the Irish Independent has an image of the front of the paper from November 2005... with an Irish Ferries story on the front page.

:rolleyes:

All the News That Fits we Print

lostexpectation

problem is that it is alos seen as mainstream average normal... when it is quite rightwing.... I do wonder what papers his friends buy, for broadshhets you only got the choice of the times = more establishment then right and the exmainer which is centrist I guess? the centre being to right these days