Very technical Judojitsu

Nothingcompares

Some videos from the last SW comp.

I am the dude in the yellow.

Video 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOnw5UhRgs or
http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~kevinly/isnrnc.avi - requires xvid direct download

Video 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJUR6sWt-Ms or
http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~kevinly/vobck3.avi - requires xvid direct download

Unpossible

I am the dude in the yellow.

After seeing the first vid I was going to ask was the guy in the yellow shorts the Judoka, then I read this again and it clicked.

TwoKingMick

That was a damn nice throw. Good job.

Colm_OReilly

I remember that throw, nice to see you followed it up with a quick sub. Nice work!

Roper

I missed that first match but I saw the omo and armbar escapes aganst Conor, the vid doesn't do the match justice, it looked great.

dlofnep

Damn, some nice work man.

JohnMc1

Good job.

john kavanagh

its interesting to note the difference in the 'style' of escapes in the 2nd video between you and conor. kind of explains what i was trying to say to you when you asked me how you should improve.

nice throw and follow up control in the 1st video

Millionaire

how did you/he get that was it a choke on... apologies but I am just about to start learn this stuff.

Are you sort of feeling, or rooting about, to slip your arm into the right poition to get it on?

Nothingcompares

Thanks for the feedback lads. I may throw up a few more clips of the event for people to talk about.

Illegalheadbutt - I can get the whole fight for you, the cd is in my house so give me a day or two to get it and then edit it.

John Kavanagh - Yes, I see the point you were making, it's very clear. When I said "technical judojitsu" I really meant "not very technical jiujitsu".

Millionaire - When I was on the guys back I knew I was in a dominant position to get a submission and finish the match. Probably what I should have done is get a seatbelt/harness grip over his upper body, underhook one of his legs with my leg and sweep him so he was between my legs on my back. Then I'd attempt to slide my arm under his chin so the crook of my elbow is in his throat and finish the choke (rear naked choke).

What I did was go straight for the choke from the back mount position. So I got my arm under his chin, grabbed my other arms bicep and just squeezed as hard as I could. I think the choke was actually on his chin and not his windpipe so it was more really uncomfortable pressure that got the tap rather than the choke.

So to anser you question, I knew what my final position looked like, I knew wha position I was in at the start so I just attempted to go from A to B as quickly as possible.

Millionaire

Great Stuff. Thanks for filling me in.

As I said I have not a notion of any of the real live ground work, and its great to see it, and learn it within next few weeks. going to take my time, enjoy it, sometiems its hard for a lad like me 20 years about MA, to go in as a complete rookie, but thats what has to be done if I am to learn ground.

right, so through practice, a grappling man, know all the A to Bs he can work. practice, practice etc.

I guess its like if you, say kick me in sparring, a round kick, I have several A to Bs I can work without even thinking.

Its knowing your game, I guess!

Thought, the ground to me, and looking at a BBJ article on arm bars in Black Belt mag recently, looks very techincal to learn....hand her, slip left foot under right this etc etc..... its like confusion city!

Great throw too, I admire that big time.

anyway, I am going to get one on one lessons twice a week, take it slow, be a good student, and put the time in, and later when I know the basics buy a few DVDS etc. on top of 5 sessions of Thai, and 2 of Yoga, and still have to get some running and 1 weights session in!!!!

Yes, post , more if you got it. helps me see what you guys are up to.

Fair play, excellent combat! :-)

whats your background...style...how many years to get to that level?

gymrabbit

About 5 years Judo, 1 year BJJ, 1 year MMA.

Anyone of blackbelt standard who's practiced no-gi should be able to do those throws. The throws aren't difficult to learn but are very difficult to apply in a fight/bout/match against someone who's good at what they're doing. Simply put, if you're more skilled in the clinch range then your opponent you should be able to dominate and throw them.

Just to clarify, not a lot of MMA people bother takign the time ot learn the judo throws or work on them to make them work in the MMA environment, very costly in terms of time and effort.

I think the approach to learning grappling is fundamentally different to the appraoch most people take to learning striking. The method made popular by SBG (John Kavanagh, Matt Thornton etc.) is to be shown the move in a step by step way. Left hand here, right foot here etc. until you know exactly how the technique works. Then work on the move with your partner with varying resistance. So the first times he'll let you do it, then he'll resist more and more. Hopefully via this procedure your timing for applying the move will improve with the resisting stimulus. The object, at the ned of the day, is to be able to perform the technique in a real fight/match/bout against a fully resisting opponent. John Kavanagh is very clear when explaining this.

john kavanagh

SBG I-Method coaching very well explained by 'gym rabbit'

gymrabbit wrote:

The method made popular by SBG (John Kavanagh, Matt Thornton etc.) is to be shown the move in a step by step way. Left hand here, right foot here etc. until you know exactly how the technique works.

Introduction Stage. complete compliance, shouldn't take more than 5mins or so (if it takes the person any longer to 'get it' then the technique is too advanced for them)

gymrabbit wrote:

Then work on the move with your partner with varying resistance. So the first times he'll let you do it, then he'll resist more and more. Hopefully via this procedure your timing for applying the move will improve with the resisting stimulus.

Isolation Stage. The most important stage of learning. It's this part of training that bridges the gap between '100% compliant' training and '100%sparring'. when people really understand the 'Isolation' stage of training they can apply it to Stand-up, Clinch, Ground, Weapons, Multiple opponents etc

gymrabbit wrote:

The object, at the ned of the day, is to be able to perform the technique in a real fight/match/bout against a fully resisting opponent.

Integration Stage. putting the technique back into your 'whole' game, whether that be BJJ, Thai, MMA, SD

Millionaire

thats great!

Like I know the how to do the basic judo throws from KM...do not know the names....but there is NO WAY...I would be able to work them in , in a live match (well very very little) as I have not sparred them, just trained static.

I threw a few thai boxers judo style in thai clinch, which is a foul, but just for the crack to annoy them( as they were taking the pee out of me), and in my very very limited grappling, the throws fitted lovely into thai clinch range. a natural progression.

gymrabbit

Well I haven't done much thai clinch stuff so I can't say how well they mix together but in my experience, the single hand around their head and the other arm around their arm sets up the shoulder throw nicely.

gymrabbit

Here is how one of the fights I linked in an earlier posts ends:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1QHppbHrls


Hehe, this kinda looks like a choked Clive out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VXkfBF6Xog

gymrabbit

Here's a couple of more clips from the dublin sub wrestling tournie.

JudoMick vs The Shane

Kev s Roper

Clive vs JudoMick

gymrabbit

Clive vs The Shane

Clive vs JudoMick

John Kavanagh vs Kev

Clive

Cheers for those dude!

dlofnep

cool vids.