The Donk Bet

ianmc38

I was reading this thread and thought it was an interesting discussion.

When would you lead into a preflop raiser? Would it depend on board texture/hand protection/frequency that pfr makes continuation bets?

I thyink its something worth discussing as its a situation that arises alot in cash games.

Should the frequency of donk bets increase when pots become more multiway?

eggie

Think this is very judgement based, depending on the raisers raising range, previous activity and the texture of the flop. Its also important to assess what the raisers opinion of your play is.

I would prefer to lead in to fewer participants as there is better chance of nicking the pot. I presume you are looking to steal rather than having a strong or semi strong hand?

Against weak players this is obviously a profitable move as they wil fold if they miss the majority of the time, against a stronger more knowledgeable oppponent a check raise may be the better option depending on the above factors of course.

I dont think there is a simple answer to this as every situation is different. Grey area so to speak.

ArmaniJeanss

ianmc38 wrote:

When would you lead into a preflop raiser?

I havnt read the 2+2 thread (because lifes too short).

To answer the question...
1) A basic Stop and Go, tourney play.
2) On a A high flop (player dependant).
3). To see a turn card cheaply, when I have a big draw.
4) Head to Head, when I flop a monster (player dependant).
5) Head to Head, when I flop nothing ( player dependant).

fixer

if he's a guy who has an ego and will come over the top with anything worth a pf raise, I would lead into him when I hit the flop hard enough to go to the felt.

If he's a serial raiser pf, I might lead into him with air - obviously depending who else is in the hand.

If I can't count on him to continuation bet, I lead with any piece of the flop. He's expecting it to be checked around to him and possibly take a free card, so I do the unexpected.

Goodluck2me

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

I havnt read the 2+2 thread (because lifes too short)

lol, agreed

robinlacey

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

I havnt read the 2+2 thread (because lifes too short).
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lol
so basically what you mean is "i could have read a discussion on this very topic involving some of the best players in the world,but instead i'm going to deliberately not read it,boast about not reading it,and offer my own opinion anyway!"

cardshark202

I think the 'donk bet' is very opponent dependent and situation dependent. There are times when it should be used purely for balancing purposes.

Mr. Flibble

If the pot is 11.50 and you have 120 behind with 66. Flop is 5h6hKd open push and get called by TP and AA as they put you on a FD/SD

ArmaniJeanss

robinlacey wrote:

lol
so basically what you mean is "i could have read a discussion on this very topic involving some of the best players in the world,but instead i'm going to deliberately not read it,boast about not reading it,and offer my own opinion anyway!"

Hi Robin,
I don't whether your comment is in jest or serious.

I'll accept what you say about the 'some of best players in the world' posting on that forum (or specifically that thread ?). Personally on 2+2 I find the quantity of abusive/pointless/inaccurate posts to be high, and I find it very difficult to just filter my eyes to the 'good' posts when reading a thread. Not knowing who are the 'best players' doesnt help matters. I find this board has a much higher percentage of good posts/posters/threads, but I accept I could be wrong.

Also the style of posting I struggle with, with people continually copying entire posts and then adding 1 line at the end, making threads difficult to read. So I rarely venture on to 2+2.

As for 'offering my own opinion anyway', I sorta thought thats what the OP wanted.

robinlacey

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

Hi Robin,
I don't whether your comment is in jest or serious.

I'll accept what you say about the 'some of best players in the world' posting on that forum (or specifically that thread ?). Personally on 2+2 I find the quantity of abusive/pointless/inaccurate posts to be high, and I find it very difficult to just filter my eyes to the 'good' posts when reading a thread. Not knowing who are the 'best players' doesnt help matters. I find this board has a much higher percentage of good posts/posters/threads, but I accept I could be wrong.

Also the style of posting I struggle with, with people continually copying entire posts and then adding 1 line at the end, making threads difficult to read. So I rarely venture on to 2+2.

As for 'offering my own opinion anyway', I sorta thought thats what the OP wanted.

my comment was serious,although in retrospect it may have come across a little ruder than i intended..

obviously there is a low signal to noise ratio on twoplustwo,and loads of annoying circle-jerkery with people quoting each others posts and so on,but that doesn't really matter...

imagine if someone posted a question about a technical aspect of being a central defender,with a link to a message board frequented by fabio cannavaro,john terry,etc, (as well as loads of annoying fanboys) discussion of the same issue,and you responded while stating that you hadn't read the other thread because life's too short

i just would have thought that if you were interested enough in the topic to reply in the first place,you'd at least have a look at what they had to say!

valor

imagine if someone posted a question about a technical aspect of being a central defender,with a link to a message board frequented by fabio cannavaro,john terry,etc, (as well as loads of annoying fanboys) discussion of the same issue,and you responded while stating that you hadn't read the other thread because life's too short



I like this analogy

RoundTower

ArmaniJeanss wrote:

I find this board has a much higher percentage of good posts/posters/threads, but I accept I could be wrong.

Are you reading the same forums I am? I pretty much never post hands I played here, if I'm wondering what I should do I post them on 2+2 or find someone to discuss them with on MSN. This board has a nice community and all and some really talented poker players post here, but on average you just won't get as good responses as on 2+2.