Chapelizod Residents Protesting?

sapper · 26-10-2006 2:25pm #1

On the way home every day I cycle along the old lucan road in chapelizod past the West County hotel and every day the residents of the Glenaulin (?) estate across the road are standing on the side of the road with their kids with big "NO ENTRY" and "RESIDENTS ONLY" signs.

What's going on? I thought it was a cul de sac down there....

Victor · 26-10-2006 3:28pm

Parking, maybe?

Mad Finn · 26-10-2006 4:26pm

Well, without knowing anything about the specifics, if it's a public road it's a public road. They have no right to keep others out.

If it is a parking issue they can demand disc parking and pay the 50 euro or whatever it is annual resident's parking fee that everybody else has to do.

Of course I really don't know what I'm talking about here. Does anybody know what the protest is about?

godtabh · 26-10-2006 7:09pm

sapper wrote:

On the way home every day I cycle along the old lucan road in chapelizod past the West County hotel and every day the residents of the Glenaulin (?) estate across the road are standing on the side of the road with their kids with big "NO ENTRY" and "RESIDENTS ONLY" signs.

What's going on? I thought it was a cul de sac down there....

Its about the rat run between the lights at the t-junction to Balleyfermot.

People drive down Gleenallen (sp) to Belgrove

At 4-5 traffic coming up from Belgrove blocks all the way down to the bottom of the hill and around the corner.

My grandparents live down there. They cant get out of there house at that time. they cant go to the shops in Chapo any time. The place is in a heap

TempestSabre · 26-10-2006 10:21pm

kearnsr wrote:

...They cant get out of there house at that time. they cant go to the shops in Chapo any time. The place is in a heap

Nothing remarkable about that. Its like that all over this city.

godtabh · 27-10-2006 7:37am

TempestSabre wrote:

Nothing remarkable about that. Its like that all over this city.

Chapelizod isnt the city and before they built the new aparements beside the liffey had one of the oldest populations in Dublin. It would be a lot harder for them to get out and about than some one younger.

TempestSabre · 27-10-2006 7:48am

kearnsr wrote:

Chapelizod isnt the city and before they built the new aparements beside the liffey had one of the oldest populations in Dublin. It would be a lot harder for them to get out and about than some one younger.

Ok its the same all over Co Dublin, Happy? :rolleyes:

Newsflash, there are people of all ages all over the county, and they are all effected by traffic like that. I nigh impossible to get out my own area between 7 and 9am.

Mad Finn · 27-10-2006 8:53am

kearnsr wrote:

Its about the rat run between the lights at the t-junction to Balleyfermot.

People drive down Gleenallen (sp) to Belgrove

At 4-5 traffic coming up from Belgrove blocks all the way down to the bottom of the hill and around the corner.

My grandparents live down there. They cant get out of there house at that time. they cant go to the shops in Chapo any time. The place is in a heap

Well then it's not a rat run, is it? People will look for somewhere else to do the short cut if it's as clogged as you say.

I can sympathise but saying that a certain road is 'residents only' is a pile of me arse. We ALL pay for those roads. We're all entitled to use them.

End of story,

godtabh · 27-10-2006 9:28am

Mad Finn wrote:

Well then it's not a rat run, is it? People will look for somewhere else to do the short cut if it's as clogged as you say.

I can sympathise but saying that a certain road is 'residents only' is a pile of me arse. We ALL pay for those roads. We're all entitled to use them.

End of story,

Every one is entitled to use the roads but estate roads arent desinged for either the traffic that is now on them and the speed in which the cars travel.

Look at how main roads and estate roads are desinged. Both have different standards.

If there was a cul de sac on this road it wouldnt be used as a rat run. Its on clooged at the junction but its quicker than waiting at the lights and thats why it is used as a rat run.

Alot of roads have sign posts access only so there is precdent for this.

TempestSabre wrote:

Ok its the same all over Co Dublin, Happy?

Newsflash, there are people of all ages all over the county, and they are all effected by traffic like that. I nigh impossible to get out my own area between 7 and 9am.

Its not the same all over the city.

My estae is not used as a rat run. I know a lot of estates in my area that are neither congested or used as a rat run.

r3nu4l · 27-10-2006 9:47am

Well Hillcrest Walk/Drive/Road in Lucan is pretty much a rat-run for delivery trucks etc and has very heavy traffic through the day so I understand the frustration.

I don't see what's wrong with protesting to make a point. Sometimes councils will only listen when a big noise is made. I don't know the whole story but I would imagine that the residents have already approached councillors to no satisfaction.

I don't know what the solution could possibly be. If you erect bollards in the road then you potentiall impeding access of emergency service vehicles etc. Unfortunately it's an older estate and they were built open-ended when traffic volumes all over Dublin were much lighter! Remember the old N4 into the city-centre? Imagine that with todays traffic volumes :eek:

godtabh · 27-10-2006 9:51am

r3nu4l wrote:

Well Hillcrest Walk/Drive/Road in Lucan is pretty much a rat-run for delivery trucks etc and has very heavy traffic through the day so I understand the frustration.

I don't see what's wrong with protesting to make a point. Sometimes councils will only listen when a big noise is made. I don't know the whole story but I would imagine that the residents have already approached councillors to no satisfaction.

I don't know what the solution could possibly be. If you erect bollards in the road then you potentiall impeding access of emergency service vehicles etc. Unfortunately it's an older estate and they were built open-ended when traffic volumes all over Dublin were much lighter! Remember the old N4 into the city-centre? Imagine that with todays traffic volumes :eek:

There was a meeting Wednesday 2 weeks ago the 18th and the DCC and emergency servies were there.

The out come was that DCC would consult with the emgerency services and get back to them.

The residents want to put a cul de sac at Dr Dillions entrance i.e no exit/entrance there.

A better solution would be to put it in the midle of the estate with a turning circle at the bottom of the hill for fire tenders etc.

r3nu4l · 27-10-2006 9:57am

kearnsr wrote:

A better solution would be to put it in the midle of the estate with a turning circle at the bottom of the hill for fire tenders etc.

Would that not then limit access to the shops in Chapelizod for half the people in the estate? I'm sure residents at the bottom of the estate won't want to drive halfway around the world (not literally!) to get to the shops in the village.

Maybe I got what you are saying wrong?

godtabh · 27-10-2006 10:09am

r3nu4l wrote:

Would that not then limit access to the shops in Chapelizod for half the people in the estate? I'm sure residents at the bottom of the estate won't want to drive halfway around the world (not literally!) to get to the shops in the village.

Maybe I got what you are saying wrong?

The option the residents want (the first one) would mean that you would have to drive all the way around the estate to access the old lucan road.

My option (one that seemed not to be raised at the meeting) would be to place the cul de sac at the centre so the trip would be half the long one.

Besides alot of the residents here dont go down to the two Kelly shops or Spar becasue they cant park and its to long to walk for some of them

r3nu4l · 27-10-2006 10:20am

kearnsr wrote:

Besides alot of the residents here dont go down to the two Kelly shops or Spar becasue they cant park and its to long to walk for some of them

But earlier you said that your grandparents do use the shops in Chapo vilalge so I assume other people would too? That was part of your/their reason for complaint in the first place according to your earlier post

Anyway, I do agree that high traffic volumes through estates is a bad thing and should be stopped if possible.

godtabh · 27-10-2006 10:24am

r3nu4l wrote:

But earlier you said that your grandparents do use the shops in Chapo vilalge so I assume other people would too? That was part of your/their reason for complaint in the first place according to your earlier post

Anyway, I do agree that high traffic volumes through estates is a bad thing and should be stopped if possible.

Sorry dont should read cant.

They dont go down the shops casue they cant go down the shops.

TempestSabre · 27-10-2006 2:15pm

kearnsr wrote:

...Its not the same all over the city.

My estae is not used as a rat run. I know a lot of estates in my area that are neither congested or used as a rat run.

You make it sound like Chapelizod is unique in someway, it isn't. I don't have a problem with people protesting, I'm all for it. Obviously not all estates are rat runs, but that still doesn't mean that there aren't lots of area's with the same problems as Chapelizod. And many of them are as old Chapelizod if not older with a long established population. I'm in my area D.15 since the 70's and at certain times whole sections of the area are impossible to get to for hours because of traffic.

Usually its the result not a change in our area but in a change outside the area that forces the traffic into ours. All the areas are interlinked. A change in one place has a knock on effect everywhere else.

The country is destroyed with traffic and the Govt has done very little about the infrastructure, RELATIVE to the means and massive wealth they've had at their disposal for years.

Chapelizod Residents Protesting?

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