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fuzzbox

Some hands of various complexion.

Comment where you see fit.

In one -

Villain has raised a lot of buttons in a row, and is pretty tight and solid. He should view me as the same.

1/2 - stacks approx 300

Preflop
3 folds, Villain opens button to 8, sb folds, hero calls with KQo

Flop (17)
Ah 5d 7d
Hero checks, villain bets 14, hero makes it 35 to go, villain thinks for a time, and calls.

Turn (87)
9d
Hero bets 70

In two -

2/4 Villain has 300ish, hero covers
Villains stats are pretty tight - hero probably seems a bit loose and aggro.

Preflop
Hero opens to 14 with QdTd in the CO, villain calls in the blinds

Flop (30)
Qh Th 5s
check, hero bets 20, villain makes it 55 to play, hero thinks and calls

Turn (140)
5c
Villain leads for 70, hero shoves

In three -

2/4 Stacks of 400, unknown villain - hasnt gotten jiggy thus far

Preflop
Hero opens to 14 UTG+1 with AhJh, button calls, villain calls in the BB

Flop (50)
Kc 5h 3h
check, hero bets 35, button folds, villain makes it 95 to play, hero makes it 250, villain shoves, hero calls

And bullys special prrizzzeee

2/4 Villain seems a bit meh - but havent seen too many hands from him, stacks 400.

preflop
Hero opens to 14 in CO with 9s8s, villain makes it 24 to go from the sb

Flop (50)
Q T 6 r
villain bets 40, hero calls (yikes)

Turn (130)
9o
villain bets 75, hero calls (anybody like a shove?)

River (280)
2o
villain checks, hero just checks (anybody like a shove?)


That should shut you all up for now.

RoundTower

I like them in this order: 3,4,2,1.

pok3rplaya

I think #1 just sucks. His most likely hand is an ace and you don't really have any evidence that he's fold it. It just seems like a painful way to extract $$. Reraising preflop >> then calling.

Two is fine.

Three is dodgy. I wouldn't be all that convinced that you're not drawing to 9 outs. I'm not really sure what to do about it though. Is call/flop fold turn horrible?

Four is just wtf!? What are you hoping he has when you call the flop? Turn is a spew unless you've seen him dbl brl frequently and even then it's different in a rr pot.

Thems r my thoughts.

Ste05

pok3rplaya wrote:

Two is fine.

Hmmm, 2 is the only one I think is a bit meh, and that's only the turn shove, I'm in two minds about a call there and check call the River, or a push here, I just think that the only hand calling the shove is a house, whereas AA and KK AQ *might* fold, where as they're more likely to commit on the river.

I like 1, love 3, not too mad on 4, I think I'd prefer a turn shove, gotta love a double belly buster plus a pair.

Hectorjelly

hand 1 is standard, I find most of the time its possible to have profitable and stress free sessions without bluffing at these stakes. I think you should check fold on a non diamond turn though
hand 2 your raise amount on the flop really sucks, you are almost min raising him. Shove is fine.
hand 3 is ok
hand 4 turn call is bad, that 9 wrecks your implied odds. If you think you might have the best hand its ok, but I doubt you do.

Hectorjelly

Ste05 wrote:

Hmmm, 2 is the only one I think is a bit meh, and that's only the turn shove, I'm in two minds about a call there and check call the River, or a push here, I just think that the only hand calling the shove is a house, whereas AA and KK AQ *might* fold, where as they're more likely to commit on the river.

the 5 counterfeits our hand, so AA and KK both beat us

robinlacey

hand 1 i don't see the point,i'd just raise preflop

hand 2 i would just call him down

hand 3 is perfect

hand 4 is crazy

robinlacey

Hectorjelly wrote:

hand 1 is standard, I find most of the time its possible to have profitable and stress free sessions without bluffing at these stakes. I think you should check fold on a non diamond turn though

lol yeah standard
its a bit boring though
sometimes i mix it up by not flat calling out of position and check raising the flop with absolutely nothing,just to keep them on their toes

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

hand 1 is standard, I find most of the time its possible to have profitable and stress free sessions without bluffing at these stakes. I think you should check fold on a non diamond turn though

I think this guy has to fold to turn action from me, and since he "thought" before calling, he is not too chuffed with his hand. Your points are good and true though.

hand 2 your raise amount on the flop really sucks, you are almost min raising him. Shove is fine.

I didnt raise the flop - he did - he check/raised me ... what ? Did you mean the CR in hand one? Yeah - I doubt I raised that small - was doing it from memory - maybe I made it 40 or something.

hand 3 is ok
hand 4 turn call is bad, that 9 wrecks your implied odds. If you think you might have the best hand its ok, but I doubt you do.

You like a turn shove in the 89 hand then ?

careca

I have been humming that fcuking song for the last twenty mins.

"we're not gonna live in silence..........".

Ste05

Hectorjelly wrote:

the 5 counterfeits our hand, so AA and KK both beat us

d'oh, missed that... :mad: :mad:, either way I don't think it changes much... as I can't really see either of these folding anyway, hence why I prefer a turn call.

fuzzbox

Ste05 wrote:

d'oh, missed that... :mad: :mad:, either way I don't think it changes much... as I can't really see either of these folding anyway, hence why I prefer a turn call.

What about the 7h8h or AhJh or KhJh or other such stuff that he might have?

fuzzbox

Hectorjelly wrote:

hand 4 turn call is bad, that 9 wrecks your implied odds. If you think you might have the best hand its ok, but I doubt you do.

Oh yeah - back to this :
He only bet half the pot - if he has what normal donks have in this spot, then I have 2 9s, 3 8s, 4 Js and 4 7s to win - for 13 outs. I have the right pot odds to call.

N'est pas ?

Ste05

Ye, I thought about those hands, but I just think that a tight player wouldn't play a flush draw like this against a loose aggressive opponent. Hence why I'd slightly discount them, but certainly if I thought there was a good chance he was on a flush draw, then I'd certainly push here.
Although, I'd need have seen him play a hand in such a way to put him on a draw here.

spectre

Hand 1: I hate check-raising, I almost never do it, why is it good here?

ianmc38

spectre wrote:

Hand 1: I hate check-raising, I almost never do it, why is it good here?

Pretty standard to cr a serial button raiser with air on an ace high flop. I do it all the time.

spectre

ianmc38 wrote:

Pretty standard to cr a serial button raiser with air on an ace high flop. I do it all the time.

Ahh, missed that part about him being a serial button raiser.

On the subject of check-raising, I can't think of many situations of where I would cr unless I was bluffing. What other standard situations is cr good?

Hectorjelly

robinlacey wrote:

lol yeah standard
its a bit boring though
sometimes i mix it up by not flat calling out of position and check raising the flop with absolutely nothing,just to keep them on their toes

its called bluffing, Im surprised that you havent encountered it yet.

On a more serious note, the preflop call is bad unless either

a) the guy is a total moron and will pay us off any time we make a big hand
b) the guy will check it down so we will sometimes win unimproved
c) we take down a large amount of pots unimproved

If a or b arent true (and they dont sound like they are) then we need to bluff a certain % of the time. Ace high flops are great to check raise because amongst other things he will often represent one without having it.

fuzzbox

Results -
In one - villain folded pretty quick
In two - villain folded pretty quick
In three - villain had a set of fives, but the poker gods smiled on us and granted us the heart we needed
In four - villain tabled AJs and my pair of 9s was good.

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

Results -
In one - villain folded pretty quick
In two - villain folded pretty quick
In three - villain had a set of fives, but the poker gods smiled on us and granted us the heart we needed
In four - villain tabled AJs and my pair of 9s was good.

u fecken lockbox...

Ste05

careca wrote:

I have been humming that fcuking song for the last twenty mins.

"we're not gonna live in silence..........".

What fcuking song is this, it's annoying the bejaysus out of me.... :mad: :mad:

spectre

Ste05 wrote:

What fcuking song is this, it's annoying the bejaysus out of me.... :mad: :mad:

Don't you own a copy of super hits of the 80s?
John Farnham - You're the voice

Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vByr_s2s66M for song complete with cheesey music video, you know you want to

Ste05

Gotta Love the 80's - Best decade ever... I can't believe that one didn't jump in my head.... WP Fuzz...