What drug is José Mourinho on?

MrJoeSoap

Because I want some!

This isn't a serious dig at Chelsea, because I watched the highlights of the game last night and was disappointed that Shevchenko was booked for his celebration. Of course it is the letter of the law, and he did deserve a yellow for it in that respect, but the rules really do suck.

Anything deemed as "over-celebrating" is now a bookable offence, Shevchenko gets booked and then Ballack scores within two minutes and gets himself booked for doing the exact same thing. Not the smartest move...

But then King José comes out with a gem today...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,277-2416917,00.html

“At Stamford Bridge there is no space behind the goal, from the goal to the wall is three metres,” Mourinho said. “The players just approached the wall and if there was any contact with fans it was from one or two metres, but he booked Ballack and Shevchenko.”

“Some players are booked for that and other players are not booked, that’s the biggest problem,” Mourinho said. “The referee should explain why Van Persie can do it and why Chelsea players cannot do it. Why Robben last season saw a red card against Sunderland and why other players can do the same or even worse. If somebody tells that everybody cannot leave the white lines, not a single inch, then I accept. But it has to be the same for everybody.”

:eek:

Chelsea, of course, according to Mourinho, are being victimised and Arsenal are being let away scot-free. Nothing to do with the fact that Van Persie actually was a metre or two away from fans, and Shevchenko and Ballack were in the midst of the crowd.

Seriously, does this guy think before he speaks? Or is it a mind game?

Shevchenko in crowd
Van Persie NOT in crowd

growler

just doing his job, protecting and defending the team.

I didn't see Scholes booked for scoring yesterday.

I don't think Ballack ran into the crowd.

Anyway, daft rule, stupid application by idiotic referees who are inconsistent in their application of the law.

MrJoeSoap

growler wrote:

Anyway, daft rule, stupid application by idiotic referees who are inconsistent in their application of the law.

Clattenburg was consistent though, but was only applying a stupid rule that he has to apply. Surely he'd be in trouble with his bosses if he didn't?

I don't think Ballack ran into the crowd.

Kinda did. Obviously again I have to state that I don't agree it should be a yellow card, but the rule is there, your team-mate has been booked for it 90 seconds earlier and you still give the referee enough reason to book you. Not very smart on Ballacks behalf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63VFQT6eLx8

The Chelsea website has to be the funniest thing ever.

It could be argued if the ball had not clipped Campbell’s outstretched boot on the way through then James may have saved, but the Ukrainian surely deserved any good fortune that came his way.

He all but disappeared under blue-shirted bodies as he tried to hug the whole of the Matthew Harding Lower in celebration. Killjoy referee Clattenburg brandished a yellow card.

Within two minutes, Ballack had broken a duck of his own, heading in for his first Premiership goal. It was a finish from ten yards out after Drogba had headed back across when Taylor had dealt poorly with a Robben cross.

Again curmudgeonly Clattenburg booked the scorer for celebrating with the fans.

cur·mudg·eon Pronunciation (kr-mjn)
n.
An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.

BaZmO*

I'm open to correction here of course, but technically RVP is the one that broke the actual rule about celebrating and should've been booked while the other two should not have been booked.

According to MOTD last year, when Robben got sent off for the same thing, he should've never recieved the second yellow card that led to his dismissal. The rules only state that you can be penalised for climbing up on the fencing that surrounds the ground and it doesn't say anything approaching the fans in the manner in which the 3 Chelsea players did.

I'm sure this could quite easily be proven right or wrong.

iregk

Well in fairness Clattenburg was seriously reprimanded by the FA for not booking Van Persie and was threatened with regelation to the championship so next time it happened he had to book the player. In this case these players were Sheva and Ballack. So it wasn't so much inconsistency as it was avoiding another rap on the knuckles.

That said it is a ridiculous rule and doesn't warrant a card.

MrJoeSoap

BaZmO* wrote:

I'm open to correction here of course, but technically RVP is the one that broke the actual rule about celebrating and should've been booked while the other two should not have been booked.

According to MOTD last year, when Robben got sent off for the same thing, he should've never recieved the second yellow card that led to his dismissal. The rules only state that you can be penalised for climbing up on the fencing that surrounds the ground and it doesn't say anything approaching the fans in the manner in which the 3 Chelsea players did.

I'm sure this could quite easily be proven right or wrong.

I've had a look through the FA Rulebook (its available in PDF on their site, 500 pages plus ) but couldn't find anything at all on goal celebrations so I'm not too sure.

iregk wrote:

Well in fairness Clattenburg was seriously reprimanded by the FA for not booking Van Persie and was threatened with regelation to the championship so next time it happened he had to book the player. In this case these players were Sheva and Ballack. So it wasn't so much inconsistency as it was avoiding another rap on the knuckles.

That said it is a ridiculous rule and doesn't warrant a card.

It was also Clattenburg who sent Arjen Robben off against Sunderland last year for celebrating with the fans. Do you have a link about Clattenburg/Van Persie? I've had a look but can't find anything other than that he apparently should have seen a straight red for kicking Hasselbaink.

edit:// according to Wikipedia...
Jumping into the crowd is also a bookable offence ("deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission", as identified in Law 12), one which caused Arjen Robben to be sent off in a Premier League match in 2006.

growler

"field of play" is what , within the white lines ? could be a lot of yellow card if that letter of the law was applied.

Sheva didn't jump the hoardings afaik.

sofireland

I think Mourinho has a point, and its like they expect the players to be robots

I could understand if Ballack was throwing shapes in front of the opposition fans, but with their own, i don't see a problem!

Collie D

sofireland wrote:

I think Mourinho has a point,

:eek: Mourinho in having a point shocker! It is a stupid rule but Ballack can hardly complain having seen his team-mate getting booked two minutes earlier

sofireland

But its not ballack complaining
I'm sure all the players feel the same

Chucky the tree

Its not the refs fault though, hes told what to do or else he gets in trouble. I presume its also a safety issue that they dont want players going near the fans.

ronbyrne2005

I always think mourinho is on coke as he is always sniffling like a coke snorter but theres no evidence he is on coke. Coke users are oftern arrogant and think they are always right and almost god like. Coke is very popular in london. Footballers use coke as it is quickly out of their systems.

Mad Dog

MrJoeSoap wrote:

It was also Clattenburg who sent Arjen Robben off against Sunderland last year for celebrating with the fans.

No it wasn't ...... It was Chris Foy

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

I always think mourinho is on coke as he is always sniffling like a coke snorter but theres no evidence he is on coke. Coke users are oftern arrogant and think they are always right and almost god like. Coke is very popular in london. Footballers use coke as it is quickly out of their systems.

Serious claims there and I'm surprised MODS have let you away with this statement .......

MrJoeSoap

Mad Dog wrote:

No it wasn't ...... It was Chris Foy

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8695_1620573,00.html

I got it from here, they were clearly wrong though.

Mad Dog wrote:

Serious claims there and I'm surprised MODS have let you away with this statement .......

You think they should have read this post and acted within 4 minutes?

I'm sure he was being sarcastic anyway.

growler

over use of sarcasm deserves a yellow card surely, i mean it's not far from starting a proper web-rage incident and we don't want that now.


"I presume its also a safety issue that they dont want players going near the fans."

Thought that only applied to Cantona.

MrJoeSoap

growler wrote:

Thought that only applied to Cantona.

And possibly Herman Hreidarsson, I seem to remember him jumping about 6 rows into the crowd and crushing a few people in the process!

Mad Dog

MrJoeSoap wrote:

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8695_1620573,00.html

I got it from here, they were clearly wrong though.

In the second half Chelsea began to exert authority; they dominated possesion and chances and looked most likely to take the lead. Sunderland keeper Kelvin Davis, suffering criticism from Sunderland fans as of late, made a series of superb stops to deny Chelsea the lead. It was a cruel deflection off the head of Dean Whitehead which finally gave the reigning champions the lead on 70 minutes, Dutchman Arjen Robben providing the strike. The game's main talking point occurred moments later, as Robben jumped over advertising boards in order to celebrate the goal with the travelling fans. As stewards scrambled to remove Robben from the clutches of the jubilant Chelsea followers, referee Chris Foy, working to the letter of the law, brandished a second yellow card and sent the midfield playmaker off.

I guess you did :cool:

wheres me jumpa

For me there are few greater sites than players approaching the crowd in the way the Chelsea players did. Acknowledging the fans can mean so much to each of the fans. Its ridicolous that a player is booked for it. I cant wait to see what the game is like in ten/twenty years time. All the fun will be sapped out of the game and all the teams will play like.....Chelsea

As for Mourinho I can understand his frustration but once again he chooses the wrong words/approach to venting his frustration.

PHB

For me there are few greater sites than players approaching the crowd in the way the Chelsea players did.

It is indeed great, but you saw all the other fans 5 rows back try to get close in other to touch Shev? Well at the end you might have noticed the child at the front of the mob, who was so happy to have hugged Shev, but could equally have been crushed if the Stewards hadn't pushed people back.

It's great, but it's just too dangerous.

Bateman

iregk wrote:

Well in fairness Clattenburg was seriously reprimanded by the FA for not booking Van Persie and was threatened with regelation to the championship

Source?

Bateman

PHB wrote:

Well at the end you might have noticed the child at the front of the mob, who was so happy to have hugged Shev, but could equally have been crushed if the Stewards hadn't pushed people back.

In fairness, when was the last time you read reports of anyone getting crushed in an all-seater stadium in England? :eek:

iregk

Bateman wrote:

Source?

According to Kamarra on Goals on Sunday. Haven't bothered looking around teh web for it.

growler

PHB wrote:

It is indeed great, but you saw all the other fans 5 rows back try to get close in other to touch Shev? Well at the end you might have noticed the child at the front of the mob, who was so happy to have hugged Shev, but could equally have been crushed if the Stewards hadn't pushed people back.

It's great, but it's just too dangerous.

who will think of the children ?

wheres me jumpa

PHB wrote:

It's great, but it's just too dangerous.

Yeah no doubt there is a danger to it but a large part of me thinks its as much to do with the incitement of fans as the danger of being crushed. Gary Nevilles incident last season seems to have ruined it for everyone!