Sooooted Troubles

Culchie

Just finished my first month of cash play, and very happy with outcome (28.37 BB/100)

Taking time to look at the PT stats (12500 hands), all my Pocket Pairs are profitable, thankfully with AA doing tremendously well holding up 92%.

Now .... the tricky bit.

My most profitable hands are 1. AA (7.31BB/Hand) 2. AKo (6.02bb/h) 3. KK (4.20bb/h)

yet my worst hands are 1. 85o (:D ) 2. AKs (-3bb/h) 3. AQs(-2.6bb/h)

Obviously I have a serious leak here to purrretty sooooted cards, but I'm not conciously aware of this leak, and why it's strange how the Off Suit variety of the same nice preflop holding is very profitable, and sooooted is not (AQo marginally profitable)


Any remedies?

valor

variance

Culchie

valor wrote:

variance

I think 12500 hands is showing a fair enough picture of my soooted flaws.

Ste05

Are there any particular big losses with those hands??

Culchie

Ste05 wrote:

Are there any particular big losses with those hands??

A-Ha .... (AQs) Ace High Flush meets Full House = dent in bankroll :rolleyes: (accounts for 2/3 of loss)

(AKs) Made a poor call to a push on the flop with TPTK to a set of 10's ... accounts for 50% of loss. (He was Xtra loose +63% VP$IP, I thought he was pushing a flush draw as was his norm, but was badly wrong)

The Citadel 10475313-28954 Holdem No Limit $0.10/$0.20
[Sep 24 08:30:58] : Hand Start.
[Sep 24 08:30:58] : Seat 1 : texan46 has $38.54
[Sep 24 08:30:58] : Seat 3 : dutch1036 has $22.50
[Sep 24 08:30:58] : Seat 4 : cybervero has $13.05
[Sep 24 08:30:58] : Seat 5 : 3PineGrove has $43.28
[Sep 24 08:30:58] : Seat 6 : pepito034 has $63.37
[Sep 24 08:30:58] : texan46 is the dealer.
[Sep 24 08:30:58] : dutch1036 will be allowed to play after the button.
[Sep 24 08:30:59] : cybervero posted small blind.
[Sep 24 08:30:59] : 3PineGrove posted big blind.
[Sep 24 08:30:59] : Game [28954] started with 4 players.
[Sep 24 08:30:59] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Sep 24 08:30:59] : Seat 5 : 3PineGrove has As Ks
[Sep 24 08:31:02] : pepito034 called $0.20 and raised $1
[Sep 24 08:31:05] : texan46 called $1.20
[Sep 24 08:31:06] : cybervero folded.
[Sep 24 08:31:11] : 3PineGrove called $1 and raised $4
[Sep 24 08:31:33] : pepito034 called $4
[Sep 24 08:31:34] : texan46 folded.
[Sep 24 08:31:35] : Dealing flop.
[Sep 24 08:31:35] : Board cards [Kd 3h Th]
[Sep 24 08:31:41] : 3PineGrove bet $3.20
[Sep 24 08:31:46] : pepito034 called $3.20 and raised $54.97 and is All-in
[Sep 24 08:31:47] : 3PineGrove called $34.88 and is All-in
[Sep 24 08:31:48] : Showdown!
[Sep 24 08:31:48] : Seat 5 : 3PineGrove has As Ks
[Sep 24 08:31:50] : Seat 5 : 3PineGrove has As Ks
[Sep 24 08:31:50] : Seat 6 : pepito034 has Td Ts
[Sep 24 08:31:56] : Board cards [Kd 3h Th 2c 7h]
[Sep 24 08:31:56] : Seat 6 : pepito034 has Td Ts
[Sep 24 08:31:56] : pepito034 has 3 of a Kind: 10s
[Sep 24 08:31:56] : Seat 5 : 3PineGrove has As Ks
[Sep 24 08:31:56] : 3PineGrove has Pair: Kings
[Sep 24 08:31:56] : pepito034 wins $84.86 with 3 of a Kind: 10s
[Sep 24 08:32:06] : Hand is over.

Yuk:o

Thank you Dr Ste

ArmaniJeanss

Culchie wrote:

I think 12500 hands is showing a fair enough picture of my soooted flaws.

I think it could be variance even if you have played each hand perfectly

We are talking about a very small subset of your 12500.
i.e. the following conditions would have happened.
a) its AKs or AQs
b) you have had a draw to the nut flush on either the flop or turn.
c) Your opponent has priced you in for this draw (or not priced you out of it).
d) you have missed the draw or
d1) you have hit your draw but been beaten by a house or quads.

Its such a small subset of your hands that if you had hit your draw even as little as once or twice more then (because these would likely have been large pots) you would have been in profit for these hands.

Just a thought.

EDIT: In your example above it may as well have been AKo rather than AKs as the suitedness played no part in the hand.

ianmc38

Culchie wrote:

I think 12500 hands is showing a fair enough picture of my soooted flaws.

12500 hands is not a big enough data set. Your bb/100 of 28 is 99.9% unsustainable over a larger number of hands.

NickyOD

Its nowhere near enough hands to spot leaks with certain hands. 40-50K is more definitive. Your losses with AK/AQ could easily be down to just missing a lot of flops or losing one big pot.

Lafortezza

Culchie wrote:

I think 12500 hands is showing a fair enough picture of my soooted flaws.

I disagree with you sir! How many times have you had each of the particular hands, AQs and AKs? How many times have you had each of them on the button, or UTG?

Ste05

Culchie wrote:

Thank you Dr Ste

Thought it'd have to be something like this with the smallish amount of hands. And I remember you saying you were doing the Chris Ferguson challenge so assumed it'd have to be something like this, as at those levels you should be smashing them, as you are with your current win rates. I''ve just started it myself, except I'm starting from 1k I forgot how lovely the .25/.50 level was.

Culchie

Ste05 wrote:

Thought it'd have to be something like this with the smallish amount of hands. And I remember you saying you were doing the Chris Ferguson challenge so assumed it'd have to be something like this, as at those levels you should be smashing them, as you are with your current win rates. I''ve just started it myself, except I'm starting from 1k I forgot how lovely the .25/.50 level was.

ffs, why not just start at 18k ?

$1 to $20k is the challenge Dr Ste