Post Flop Help 3

dvdfan

Hi,

Im posting a few hands to try and get advice on post flop play that i need to improve. Appreciate any comments

Starting a new hand (#445476583)
Texas Holdem NL $0.25/$0.50 - 2006-10-19 18:50:32 Server
Table Uttoxeter
Seat 1: scuba34355 ( $53.82 )
Seat 2: YWCLUM ( $22.05 )
Seat 3: wizeguy989 ( $40.45 )
Seat 4: crazysaw ( $10.85 )
Seat 5: LetsKickAce ( $26.80 )
Seat 6: ReSoNaTeR ( $32.15 )
Seat 7: 1DaMatrix ( $49.50 )
Seat 8: pokerzyscipl ( $13 )
Seat 9: jockeapa ( $28.20 )
Seat 10: max6 ( $91.05 )
LetsKickAce posts Small Blind $0.25
ReSoNaTeR posts Big Blind $0.50
Dealing cards
Your cards Td Jh [LetsKickAce]
1DaMatrix calls $0.50
pokerzyscipl folds
jockeapa calls $0.50
max6 folds
scuba34355 folds
YWCLUM folds
wizeguy989 calls $0.50
crazysaw folds
LetsKickAce calls $0.25
ReSoNaTeR checks
Dealing Flop Tc 5h Th
LetsKickAce checks
ReSoNaTeR checks
1DaMatrix checks
jockeapa checks
wizeguy989 checks
Dealing Turn Tc 5h Th 8s
LetsKickAce bets $0.50
ReSoNaTeR folds
1DaMatrix folds
jockeapa raises $1
wizeguy989 calls $1
LetsKickAce calls $0.50
Dealing River Tc 5h Th 8s 7d
LetsKickAce bets $3
jockeapa raises $6

What do i do and how did i play it till now. I dont think the 50c bet was clever but i was in 2 minds i didnt want to chase anyone out of the hand but i was worried about the straight. My thinking (probably flawed) was if someone had the straight they might come back with a re-raise, so you could say it was a kind of feeler bet. I really didnt know what to do here tbh

Outcome to follow later on....

Lafortezza

I'd be 50-50 on either leading the flop or letting someone hit something on the turn by checking the flop.
Bet pot on turn after its been checked through, call this river imo.

phantom_lord

Sometimes I'd lead the flop, sometimes not. Raise more on the turn, something like pot. You haven't show any strength in the hand, so river is probably worth a call.

A slightly funny thing I've noticed with weak players is that if you lead the flop they'll often put you on a pair of fives or a higher pocket pair. this flop is probably a bad example, but say it was 10108, they'd put you on the eight. While if you check the flop and bet turn then the put you on the trips. Most likely because that's the only way they'd play it...

EDIT: Actually...with 2 hearts on the flop I'd lead here.

Hectorjelly

checking this flop is awful, multiway pot with a flush draw, you have a good hand and should start building the pot. Checking here is really really not the right option
the bet on the turn is poor
as played I would call the river, you are probably beat though. Also you said you were worried about the straight, there is no straight possble on the turn

dvdfan

Hectorjelly wrote:

checking this flop is awful, multiway pot with a flush draw, you have a good hand and should start building the pot. Checking here is really really not the right option
the bet on the turn is poor
as played I would call the river, you are probably beat though. Also you said you were worried about the straight, there is no straight possble on the turn

Yes, misread that about the straight. These are hands i played a couple of days ago so im just re-playing them now so to speak.

5starpool

Yep, this hand is an example of letting people in cheaply. Bet 1.50 on the flop. If called in one place for example then bet about 4. With a hand like this out of position you don't want to get too clever. It is a great flop for you, but any good flop has the potential to go tits up if you over slowplay it.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I think until you have a better understanding of the techniques and play involved you should move back a level. Even if for no other reason than you seem to buy in short at every level, you should do this. The same decisions are to be made at the lower levels and if you can start making right decisions there then when you move to .25/.50 or .50/1 the styles will not be greatly different and allow you to apply the proper theory you built up at lower levels there.

If you are playing at that level because you can't bring yourself to care about .10/.25 or lower then you should really think about playing less. Learn to play correctly before you start risking more than small amounts of money. Of course there are lots of different styles out there. Try and play what comes natural to you, but only if what comes natural to you is logical and clearly thought out. The passive style that you seem to be displaying in these hands is never going to be a winner long term.

Good luck and keep posting hands.

Ste05

Yep, I'd have lead this flop.

On the turn the minimum bet is terrible, as is the min-raise by the opponent.

Call the river, again expecting to lose.

A tip for you, don't wait til the river to bet big, If possible try to use PF, Flop and Turn to get the as much money into the pot as possible, the River is the most difficult spot to get a weaker hand to put money in.

dvdfan

Outcome

wizeguy989 folds
LetsKickAce calls $3
jockeapa shows 5s 5c
Winner is jockeapa $16.65

Jockeapa's Triple 5's beats my trip 10's by using my 10's on the board to make the full house.

I played this badly but if i had played this correctly, i.e leading on the flop and betting hard on the turn Jockpea most certainly would have raised the ante and probably put me all in. I suspect he taught i had a weakish hand and thats why he didnt over-raise it just trying to get as much into the pot as possible. But thats neither here nor there, i played it badly, got unlucky to come up against a full house but i should always be wary of this when theres a pair on board and i hit trips when im holding only 1 hole card.

should trips be played more carefully when i have only one hole card than trips with pocket pairs. This could also apply to playing the nuts flush when theres a pair on board, as quads or the full house are a possibility, how should i play that differently????

TacT

You're far too shorstacked to be limping with hands like KT/QT/JT/AT and will mostly get yourself into trouble and bleed chips given the way they are being played, fold preflop. Drop back down to .5/.10c with a $20 buyin and start winning there before moving back up the stakes. Tighten up your preflop play and come in raising.

If you're playing .25/.50c you need to be buying in with no less than $50 for optimal play. Were you playing .5/.10c or .10/.20c and winning before moving up to this current level? You don't seem to be ready for these stakes yet judging from your threads and HH's posted.

dvdfan

Ok, advice taken. Ill move back a level. $50 is the max buyin for 0.25/0.50 on Titan. And then ill post a few hands that i play at that level and hopefully improve enough to move back to the 0.25/0.50 Level. I havent been losing much at the 25/50 level, ive lodged 100 euro 1 week ago, i have been playing mostly cash games but the odd tournament and the odd sng. Ive still around 80 euro and tend to not have many swings because of my conservative play. But from all the advice ive got in the posts it seems im not playing properly and im going to lose in the long run. I did however post the hands that im having trouble with or hands im not getting enough out of so i dont think im as bad as the few hands i posted but ill take all the advice on board and play at the lower level

Thanks