A couple of clips featuring "Southnarc"

Musashi

"Southnarc" is an American combatives instructor and a serving narcotics officer, which is why his face is usually blurred or covered with a black dot. These clips seem to have been taken from his DVD training films. I'm not sure if the poster got permissions to post these, so they may not be up for long?

First is his ECQ pistol fighting, note the pectoral index at extreme close quarters, moving to a collapsed Weaver as he gains distance, then to full extension and aimed shots to finish. The partner drills he demos use "simunitions", a sort of paintball powered by the primer in a standard pistol round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVfE0ts2wG8&mode=related&search=


The other clip shows some of his Pekiti Tersia influenced reversed edge methods in knife and empty hand combatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E36_VQ2jeW4

Hope this is of interest to some of the members.

Baggio...

Hey man,

SN is very talented indeed. I'm really looking forward to the hand to hand series that will be coming out pretty soon.:D

Rob.

john kavanagh

who would those dvds be aimed at?

i did a little bit of 'piston work' with a firearms instructor in the states, very similar stuff to what i see here. i did it just for fun as i obviously dont carry (or have a need to) a piece here!

Baggio...

I'd be more into his H2H stuff - when it comes out. I like his knife work, more for informational purposes only. I don't carry weapons...

17HMR

The DVDs he did for Shivworks (great name !) are available from MD Tactical.

www.mdtactical.com

Quillo

Material is very close in and nasty.

Seems all based on the instant deployment of a small fixed blade though (or possibly something like a folder with wave opening).... not a legal option in this country.

Useful though to see what someone none too worried about the law might be able to do against you though if you found yourself in a one-on-one with someone you thought to be unarmed.... but who was actually carrying. Scary.

Millionaire

john kavanagh wrote:

who would those dvds be aimed at?

i did a little bit of 'piston work' with a firearms instructor in the states, very similar stuff to what i see here. i did it just for fun as i obviously dont carry (or have a need to) a piece here!

I d imagine alot of it would be aimed at law enforcement or undercover cops. Though I am not sure about the Knife stuff. Of course you say it is aimed at some military? or maybe mexican drug gangs...hey they got money to buy DVDs too! LOL!.

The getting out of line of fire and way of catching gun, and removing it, some very similar to KM. good stuff.

Ah John, the pistol bug is biting you...I got a touch of that myself, and since €20 euro and a 10 min motobike ride from my house, buys me 30 mins of fun each weekend too...colt 45s, glocks, Smith & Westons, see link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm7MG-hzz_g

this 2nd one is a Colt 45 automatic....hear the difference in the bang and recoil of pistol,
this is a hard one to target and fire...aim for head....hit target in balls!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IATdmk8hfP8&mode=related&search=

and there is an island 15 mins out on the speedboat where you got the M16 AKs etc... might do that sunday! just for fun!

next thing is you'll be wondering...if someone pulled on of these on me....could i take it off them!

Southnarc did a seminar in UK recently and review is on www.urbancombatives.com

john kavanagh

not really gerry. i've no interest in firing on a range or anything like that. was more just goofing around during the break at a weekend training camp with a friend. i found it surprizing that most 'gunfights' took place at conversation range....and most people missed! after i gave it some thought it actually made sense though.

"next thing is you'll be wondering...if someone pulled on of these on me"

that is something i'll never wonder!

Millionaire

yes, gun fights do take place close in. I saw a gun being pulled by drunken thais at a Muay Thai night, in a fight and it was right close in. Though I think the drunk, had no intention of using it. funny thing was fighter from our camp was in corner between rounds, and we're trying to water him down, and this bollox is waving a gun around about 6 feet from our corner.

Actually some study was done... I might be a bit off, but something like this...if one guy has a gun, and 10 feet away an attacker has a knife drawn...the knife guy can cover the 10 feet and multi stab the gun man, faster than gun guy can cock, aim and shoot pistol. I cannot give you a reference to the study but i read it a few places and heard it off a few in the trade.

Remember pistols are designed for close in work feet to metre...not for sniping guys who are half a mile away....thats what the Barret Light .50 Rifle is for! ; -)

Dyr

Quillo wrote:

Seems all based on the instant deployment of a small fixed blade though (or possibly something like a folder with wave opening).... not a legal option in this country.

True. Either way if you give someone a bad case of death with a stabby thing, i dont think the DPP is going to worry to much about whether said stabby thing was "legal" or not when it comes to deciding what to charge you with

cushtac

Millionaire wrote:

Though I am not sure about the Knife stuff. Of course you say it is aimed at some military?

A lot of US law enforcement officers, particularly those in plain clothes, carry knives.

john kavanagh wrote:

i found it surprizing that most 'gunfights' took place at conversation range....and most people missed!

A lot of US gun owners (including law enforcement) don't practice enough with their firearms, something that surprised me when I first heard it. I know of NYPD officers who only do range practice once a year.

Millionaire wrote:

Actually some study was done... I might be a bit off, but something like this...if one guy has a gun, and 10 feet away an attacker has a knife drawn...the knife guy can cover the 10 feet and multi stab the gun man, faster than gun guy can cock, aim and shoot pistol. I cannot give you a reference to the study but i read it a few places and heard it off a few in the trade.

There's a clip on YouTube that features footage from a German police training video depicting this. I think previous clips by the author, a Polish guy, have been posted here.

Millionaire

I think everyone should just once, shoot a few different pistols on a range or in ireland if not possible at least get a few shots with a shot gun, or even a .22 rifle....

Why do I say that...

Because the first time you fire a shot, I would say for 80% of people with will fright the crap out of you, the bang, the recoil, the nasty smell, the shock. I know it gave me a fright when I fire a shot gun years back as a teen.
and if you got any brains at all, you will soon figure out, that a loaded gun is a very very dangerous thing. even if your only duck shooting with a mate.

I know 2 guys who were life long friends, out hunting and one blew the head off the other guy at close range, pure accident...safety rules were not followed. imagine having to live with that for the rest of your life.

I d never have a gun in my house, even if licensed or allowed by law. their just too dangerous.

But I do enjoy going down, and fire a few rounds off now and again. its a good reminder...and if your going to be teaching people KM like stuff, how to disarm an attacker with a rubber pistol, and you have never fired a real pistol or revolver ( as both act very different) then your talking through your butt.

Millionaire

I used to have a pint in Dublin with a plain clother guard... I think he was body guard to Garret Fitzgerald or someone similar, and he told me for a plain clothes guy to fire a pistol you only have to fire 300 rounds a year, and that most guys though the fire arms instructor was a bollox, di dnot listen to him, went up, blasted the minimal requirement off, and went home.

Now I am sure the special ERU train different. but for the regular lads, I thought that was a bit lax!!!!

cushtac

That is pretty much the case and it is indeed lax, although it's not unique to the Gardaí and things are due to change soon.

Musashi

I think the "21 Foot Rule" or whatever it's known as now, usually refers to someone holding a knife versus an armed officer with a holstered weapon.

This clip shows the problems pretty well, from Paul Vunak

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8884586003342147853&q=police+knife+defense

17HMR

Discussion of the 21 foot rule at:

http://www.policeone.com/columnists_internal.asp?view=94340&vid=102828

Musashi

John Kav. wrote:

who would those dvds be aimed at?

Everybody I guess? Those interested in the material presented? If it's not your thing then you won't buy it, if it is then you probably will at some point.

He teachs all sorts, from active duty military and LEO to ordinary Joe Soaps.
I guess FMA guys would be interested, possibly fencers and Bowie styles. This is to Mano Largo what BJJ is to point sparring If it doesn't interest someone then it doesn't, no-one is forced to watch or to learn from this clip.

Even if you never intend to learn knife, it is useful to see how one can be used, forewarned being forearmed and that! I would imagine that when the Gracies exploded onto the MA world that most had never been Kimura'd on the ground, maybe seeing a video of it being done might have levelled things up somewhat?
Seeing how fast S'Narc or the Sayocs can draw and cut should make you re-evaluate your knife defense. Will that block you learnt stop that attack? Action being faster than reaction etc. there isn't a hope in hell you could stop that except accidentally, then they flow to another cut and that's all she wrote.

It is no harm to train in areas you are weak in, isn't that the Jeet Kune Do way? I see this as a resource to be used, to learn from, even if it is only what not to do. Anything else is up to the consumer.

Millionaire

Thats interesting LEO offers in the USA esp udercover can carry a knife. so to put it bluntly is a SD situation with no choice, has the LEO the right to cut a criminal up (if situations warrants it). I never new that, and I spent years in and out of the USA.

Yeah, its thinks its real important to see how a skilled knife fighter works. KM knife defence which I am 50 50 on, is sort of you stab and i defend....baynoet charge style if you like, (well it was designed for this) see book by Eyal Yanilo Krava Maga Defence against armed attach for reference, or the American KM DVDs.

Dave Joyce (I think) posed an vid of a Sayoc Kali gun with a massive slab of beef which I think was reinforced 3 times in strong plastic sheeting, to replacate skin (and plastic would be stornger than skin)....the attacker had a smallish blade and he near cut the meat in two with one quick slash, I was amazed.

So to experiment myself, I went down the local thai market, and bought a slab of buffalo meat which is tough as nails, wrapped it, and just with a kitchen steak knife syle knife, which i not designed of figting, I slashed it once, (slash style attack) and I slash clean through at least 2 inches into this. I was amazed at the damage caused, and human flesh which is weak would be much worse off.

I think the KM knife stuff is good, is knife is being used to intimidate, as ina druggie using knife to get your wallet, but no intention of stabbbing you. but if some crazy physco on 3 eight balls of coke , a feed of drink and a bag of speed in them let loose on me with a knife, I am not so sure.

who has the best knife defence suff out there....I heard senshido was good, I have some of this stuff, but not the knife stuff. would be interested to learn a bit more.

Where I live in thailand, Pattaya which is a massive tourist resort there is alot of petty crime and muggings, thai young thugs ganging up on old peoplr to get their money. most woul dhave some MT knowledge. on the street you can buy electrotic stun guns, expandable spring metal battons, and an assortment of knives, from butter fly knives to you name it! so Id imagine the young punks are well tooled up too!

Khannie

Some very interesting viewing there.